How do you interpret a generation and what does your generation mean to you? Dr. Drew Dwyer outlines them: On top of the hierarchy is the Greatest Generation, the people aged between 92 and older. Those of the Greatest Generation grew up during the Great Depression and many fought in World War II. They are also known as the GI Joe Generation. Next is the Silent Generation, people aged 72 to 92. These people were born during the Great Depression. The Baby Boomer Generation, the generation that was born after the Second World War are those aged 52 to 72. We also have the X Generation, then we have the Y and Z Generation which are grouped as a generational cohort called the “Millennial.” Millennials were born between 1980 and 1994, this generation is marked by an increased use of digital technologies, media and communications.
“When we talk about generations, it helps us to isolate groups of people in society that are having a push and pull impact on the way society is developing and there’s always a reason why this occurs. As I said for the older generations, it was war, it was moon travel, it was the breakthrough technologies. For the Baby Boomers, it was the breaking of the molds of the Older generations. For the new ones, you only have to step back and look into the crystal globe to see the concept of working together, loving each other and being loving and getting along together has been throughout every single generation. It’s just at the moment seems to be the major factor of concern in today’s society.” – Dr. Drew Dwyer
Wayne Bucklar: You’re listening to Booms Day Prepping – our regular look at Baby Boomers, Baby Boomers prepping and the next stage of life. And as always, I’m with my co-host Drew Dwyer. My name is Wayne Bucklar and my panel today is in full force. We’re joined by Glenn Capelli, Amanda Lambros, Brian Hinselwood and Bron Williams. Good morning to you all.
Bron Williams: Good morning.
Amanda Lambros: Good morning everyone.
Dr. Drew Dwyer: Hello.
Wayne: Now Drew as usual, you have a topic for us to talk about and it is “Know Your Generations.” Now this sounds like a Tony Barbour quiz game from 1970s. So if everyone can just imagine, you’re running on stage energetically and bouncing around, what’s your first question?
Dr. Drew: Well I mean, my first question specifically is to the panel and that is, how do you interpret a generation and what does a generation mean to you? Because we have different generations and I’ll outline them. I’ll start at the “top of the food chain” as I like to call it and we have our Great or the Greatest Generation, they are people aged between 92 and OMG ages. We have our Silent Generation, they are 72 to 92. We have the Baby Boomer Generation from 52 to 72. We have the X Generation, then we have the Y and Z Generation which are grouped as a generational cohort called the “Millennial.” And then of course, the newer cohort now coming out the Teen Generation now and they don’t actually have a generational branding at the moment which will very soon come because most of those generation is now only reaching its teen. So they haven’t developed a science, background to be examined or to give any great epidemiology towards. So what do you know about generations is my question and what generation do you see yourself belonging to?
Brian Hinselwood: Who gives the generations these names? I mean it just seems to me that there’s a squillion people living around the globe and suddenly, it’s come up with a ruler or whatever, I don’t know how they measure it. And so they say, “Oh from that age to that age must be called this.” It just seems to me to be such an arbitrary bizarre thing to do. I actually don’t understand the generational name calling that. It’s beyond me. I’m sorry.
Bron: I see that the generations as you’ve outlined them Drew can be helpful because I think what it does is it represents different outlooks on life, different worldviews, different mindsets because of the time or the culture, the time in history that we’re born into and in which we grow to adulthood. And so like I look at my children and their outlook on life is significantly different to mine and that’s not just because I’m older than them. They look at the world differently. My mum looks at the world differently to the way that I do. And I would anticipate that my grandchildren are moving into their, one is in her teens already, so they’re going to be moving into that frame too. And so them, when I can talk with Jesse a bit more, she moves toward adulthood to find out or how does she view the world. So I think that’s where the generations, that distinction becomes helpful.
Glenn Capelli: Certainly, I think the generations are generalities and any generality can help and it can hinder. It can help because it uncovers some of the patterns but it can also hinder because as Brian said, it just becomes a label what people apply without thinking. So I always think it’s got to help us think. I’ve said it before but I was 1957, Bertha Sputnik kid and Margaret Mead was the one that called me and the rest of my generation this Sputnik kids. Sputnik world’s first telecommunication satellite goes up and she says, “This is going to cause a generational change.” Now we’ve never heard that phrase ‘generation gap’ popularized until then. And what she meant was for the first time in history, Sputnik was going to speed things up and we were now going to have a different world between children and parent. So my parents, grandparents, their parents were born to fairly similar worlds but Mead was saying that now we’re going to have a generation gap. The interesting thing is in 1994 researchers looking at her work suggested in today’s world, a generation takes 6 years. So for Brian under that synopsis, we’ll be calling these new phrases all the time. But I think the thing is to look at with a generation being the difference between parents and children, what did we grow up with and what did we grow up without and were there some common sort of character traits of a time period that we grew up with that change and modify per generation?
Dr. Drew: I mean the generation table as it exists is as you put it out Glenn is built by social scientists that study the communities of people, the ethnic group and what we call “Ethnography.” The ethnographic study is living in the village, being with the village, understanding how the village works – a combination of macro studies with micro studies. And it built itself particularly off the description of events that happen in a timeline created by the people within that timeline. So to answer your query Brian as to why a generation has given its name or its brand is because during a time period, this particular group of people have created or emancipated different things that have significance and notoriety within their age. So the Greater Generations of course experienced and created World War I, World War II and their Silent Generation children experience World War II of course, and the Baby Boomers of course were Vietnam War, were Spaceflight and Moon Exploration, Big Brands. The Younger Generations of course created multimedia, media, internet technologies and things. And of course, the Y generation really they’ve done nothing except suck the life out of everything and using it all to their best advantage to terrorize the rest of us.
Bron: What’s that age group for Y Generation, please Drew?
Amanda: 1980 to 1994. So they would be 24 to 38 years old.
Bron: That’s where all my sons live. Now I know the reason why.
Dr. Drew: Because I do a lot of teaching and I have done over the years and the Y Generation are beautiful. I love them because I have children and nieces and nephews in this generation and they’re the people who first asked and questioned “Why?”, much like the X Generation did. However, they didn’t question “Why?”, be told an answer and get on with it. They questioned “Why?”, given an answer and then asked another why question.
Glenn: Were they also the generation that we developed this formation, our self-esteem and it used to be that the first few years on the planet were all about yourself. You’re the baby looking for the suckling, you’re the baby looking for things and maybe we went a little bit too far with our self-esteem movement and we pushed the ego years to people at 38 years of age these days. They’re self focused rather than gradually learning others’ focus and gradually learning global focus. Although I will say with every generation, I always felt that some of the teen years, they’ve got a real push for making the planet a better place and we see it in today’s world with what’s happening in America at the moment with the teens rallying against guns and rallying for a cause of that, perhaps some sanity and sense. But I always see it and I think it was one of the quotes that came from Laura Nyro, a songwriter saying that, “Teens always have a folk wisdom and that folk wisdom’s got something to do wit the planet.” So I’m kind of with Brian that within every generation, there’s contradictions to what the major things are and maybe, there’s a time period in every generation where we get to focus a little bit about better world, better planet not just better self.
Dr. Drew: Well this is where this Z Generation sits very positively for themselves. I mean I understand, these are the children of the X and Y Generation cohort and they are called the “Millennials.” So basically, they’re pretty tech savvy. They’re internet connected. They communicate in a place where a lot of other generations have never done before and you’ll often hear to them referred to as “star children” because they’re gifted or they’re intellectually and emotionally gifted. I mean I understand this but they characterize particularly because of how they live their lives. They’re empowered by positive feedback. They have to have it constantly. So they’re the generation where every child gets a prize, if that makes sense.
Brian: Have I been missing the point that we’re actually all, whatever labels you want to put on, we’re all living in the same world. Should we not be worried about Millennials and whatever the other people are called? I mean as Glenn just pointed out, they’re now saying that a generation is certainly, whatever year. You can run out of words to call them. It just seems that so many people need to put labels on things to try and make any sense of it. Isn’t the sense of it surely is let’s all just live together. Let’s try to work out the problems together. Let’s try and advance together without the labels.
Dr. Drew: Well for me, I think I’ll answer that and you may not like the response but labels and categorizations are important for identity. If a generation of people want to have a focus on identity and of course the Millennial generation is always the concept of conversation at the moment because they’re the “me, myself and I” generation. The fact is that other generations have been going through a development in the timeline of what you say Brian of working together, building together. If we focus in just on the words we use, we get lost in the forest because of all the trees. The simple fact is that when we talk about generations, it helps us to isolate groups of people in society that are having a push and pull impact on the way society is developing and there’s always a reason why this occurs. As I said for the older generations, it was war, it was moon travel, it was the breakthrough technologies. For the Baby Boomers, it was the breaking of the molds of the Older generations. For the new ones, you only have to step back and look into the crystal globe to see the concept of working together, loving each other and being loving and getting along together has been throughout every single generation. It’s just at the moment seems to be the major factor of concern in today’s society.
Glenn: I’m kind of with Brian in we’re all RHPs on HPE. We’re Regular Human Beings on Home Planet Earth and sometimes, we like to divide and dissect and sometimes that can be helpful. But the bigger picture is that beyond flags, beyond countries, beyond generations, we are all regular human beings. But I do find it interesting because Tom Friedman once said that the world of the Cold War, so the world that I grew up in and a lot of us talking on this show grew up in. He said, “If it was a sport it would be the sport of sumo wrestling.” So he used a metaphor because it was about two mighty super powers trying to out buffer with each other. It was a world about organizations where bigger was mightier. And he said when the Berlin Wall came down, the sport changed and it’s now become the sport of “Sprinting.” And you’ve got to be a sprinter. You’re sprinting a hundred meter dash, and then a hundred meter dash, then another hundred meter dash and the trouble is that all sprinters need relaxation and rest time and recovery time when we don’t get it in today’s world. So if we start to look at worlds in terms of what sport or metaphor there would be, then this can’t wait world – the sprinters paced world – I think this got some real issues and challenges with it for all of us and particularly, for kids who’ve been born into a “can’t wait world”, can’t wait, can’t wait, can’t wait, faster, faster, faster, faster. And “faster” is not always necessarily healthy for brains or hearts.
Dr. Drew: I can agree.
Wayne: I recognize the need for labels because I recognize the needs for us to be able to talk in generalities. It’s very difficult to have a discussion if we’ve got to talk about Fred and Bob and Susan and a million of their friends. So the generalities help but as you have said, there are bear traps. So the labels that we put on generations seem to me to be very appropriate for a European-centric Judeo-Christian tradition. I don’t think those labels hold very well in places like India, or Asia or Africa. There’s still generations of course and people are still a children of their parents and there are still generational similarities that can be grouped together. But I think it’s a mistake to extend them too firmly across ethnic lines or indeed, too firmly around the outliers. I can understand Brian wanting to move more freely than the label allows. This is someone who when the sexual revolution was rife in his home country of the United Kingdom, he went to Germany and subsequently to Australia where the sexual revolution hadn’t been heard of and it’s still coming I think sometime in the future. But in the age of wild drug use, you might have held your own there for a little while.
Glenn: He just needed a rest Wayne. He needed a rest.
Dr. Drew: I’d say if you remember the 60s, you weren’t there.
Wayne: Well it was a long walk from the United Kingdom to Sydney. Now that I’m spending more time overseas, I’m made very aware by my everyday surroundings of how people’s behavior and cultural values and what they think is right and wrong and appropriate is just different. I was talking with a group of Filipino managers just recently who believe absolutely 100% in the notion of seniority. Older people should hold senior positions in organizations and Brian’s agreeing here and applauding in the distance. So their kind of culture is the exact opposite of what it is in Australia where the meritocracy is the basis for promotion and particularly with those younger generations who hold that view very firmly. So it’s interesting that we need the labels to have generalized conversations but they both help and hinder us.
Dr. Drew: As I said before Wayne, it’s about not using language too much to get lost in the trees. I for one am not a supporter of the term “race.” I don’t like the term race and the segregation by race because I firmly believe we are one race and that is the race of humans, human beings. And so for me, trans-cultural or cross-cultural education is extremely important. So what you referred to is that as Anglo-Saxon Christian-Judeo background people have a persona or a concept of generation as a language or a categorization which other cultures don’t have yet, you’ll find similarities between them. As you say Filipinos are expecting that seniors need to be seen in positions or more respected. Cultural countries are going to where the elderly are looked after by the family, by the oldest daughter, but it doesn’t happen in Australia so much. But as we cross culturally mix each other, as we cross culturally intermarry and change our segregations, we’re having to adapt quicker to understanding more about the generations as a time of people rather than a culture of people. I believe we’re going backwards in some way because we’re starting to segregate and divide more in the modern world than we used to in the past.
Glenn: There’s something in this brain of ours that loves the new, loves the novel, whatever is the new thing, whatever is the next thing that’s coming along and that may be sometimes to our detriment, in fact often to our detriment. My mum and dad, Jack and Jane, they were born in 1929. And so they were born and raised as children of the Great Depression and if you look at the most popular song in 1929 in most places around the world where it traveled to was a song written in 1927, “We ain’t got a barrel of money, maybe we’re regular funny but we’re traveling along, singing a song side by side.” So it was all about teamwork. It was all about not having much and making do with what you had. And sometimes, those kind of character trait messages that I think my folks helped me, my brother and my sister are on too, teamwork through all kinds of weather no matter what you find out a way to do the best. They might be vital messages in today’s world but we sometimes think, “No, it’s got to be new.” Returning to some of the historical character traits maybe some of the most important things for our Z and Y and X and everyone else on the planet to be able to learn.
Dr. Drew: Okay, well I’ll give it to you then Glenn. You’re into music and you do a lot of your stuff around music. So I’ll ask each person in the panel a question. Name me a song from your generation that depicts or reflects your generation on how you belong and how you feel? And I know there’s no great generations here but Glenn’s already proposed it, “Side by Side”, the depression songs, roll out the barrel, blah, blah, blah. It’s all about togetherness, support, helping each other, getting through the hard times and doing it tough with love and putting your arm around each other, most of the songs I listen to. Let’s step down to Brian. Brian, give us one of your Silent Generation, songs of your generation that inspired you or made you who you were.
Brian: Alright. Just to put the cat amongst the pigeons. I’m going to pick a Rolling Stone song called “I Can’t Get No Satisfaction.”
Dr. Drew: And what does it mean to you? What does that song mean to you and why?
Brian: I think it means that you’re always looking to try, well I’m always looking to try and improve myself. I’m never satisfied with myself. I’m quite happy with myself. I’m never satisfied with myself. So I always look at that as a song about trying to improve personally rather than trying to improve the whole world. I am a firm believer in if I can improve, that will help improve Glenn, and Bron, and Wayne, and Amanda and indeed yourself, Drew. And I know most of you have not very much do to improve to kind of the top level but really that’s what it is about. It’s about “can’t get no satisfaction with yourself.”
Dr. Drew: Okay. Now Bron, what’s yours?
Bron: Well look, I really was a child of the 70s in terms of music, but 1960s and 1970s is my music style. I love all the guitar music. So people like Bob Dylan and the social commentary, that’s very strong for me now still, “How many roads must a man walk down?” That whole questioning of what is our society doing? Where are we going? Why are we doing what we’re doing? And I suppose I continue to do that.
Dr. Drew: Okay, Amanda?
Amanda: Mine would be a fabulous great by Salt-N-Pepa known as “Let’s Talk About Sex.” And I figured that absolutely shaped me because I am a sexologist, so that’s a bonus. But I think it came at a really important time when people were not talking about sex and taboo topics and we went through this whole AIDS epidemic and then came out the other side. And it’s like the only way we’re gonna get out the other side is if we actually start talking about these things. And so basically, singing about sex and taboo topics and having open, honest, genuine conversation.
Dr. Drew: So 80s and the babies into 90s song. Wayne?
Wayne: They say that the music that you love in your retirement village is the music from your adolescence, I’m thinking it’s gonna be a hell of a soundtrack. I’m also a child of the 60s and 70s so I would lend my support to Simon and Garfunkel I think, “Sounds of Silence” would be the number one for me.
Dr. Drew: Glenn?
Glenn: Interesting, I mean my song through all of life is an old country one that, “Do what you do, do well boy, do what you do, do well.” Whenever you’re given something a go, give it your best shot and that’s what my dad Jack taught me. But he was a jazz musician, but I’d like to throw two other songs into the brew for everyone to consider. The theme music of Sesame Street and then the theme music of a show called “Blue’s Clues.” And these might be the themes of the 70s, 80s, maybe into the 90s because Sesame Street, Jane Healey who is an educator said that she wrote a book called “Endangered Minds” and she reckons Sesame Street sped-up brains, “10, 9, 40, 7, 8, 3, A, B, C” very quick and lots of repetition. The people who made Sesame Street, the next show they made was called Blue’s Clues and it was really, really slow. And they thought that they maybe had been contributing to this speeding-up attention deficit disorder kind of thing in the brain and we needed to slow down, you’re moving too fast. So maybe everything goes back to Simon and Garfunkel after all Wayne, who knows. But consider the Sesame Street and Blue’s Clues as theme musics that for us to ponder upon as well as the ones from our own generation.
Dr. Drew: Well, okay for me, I’m also a child of the 60s, 70s. But I found and connected with music in 78, 79 with a band called Spandau Ballet out of England. Brian probably knows them, most people know them. I don’t care.
Bron: When you’re 7’4’’ ft. tall, it doesn’t matter.
Dr. Drew: That’s exactly right. I just finished going to their last concert in Australia and had private dinner with them and drinks and photo session and it was fantastic. But for me, inspired songs like “Gold” and I was having a rough childhood so it was about empowerment, self empowerment, motivation, and achieving and questioning so that’s me. Now why I asked this question and it’s interesting to listen particularly for our listeners and our Baby Boomer listeners is I have younger children and I’m going to probably drop a few vernaculars and it may be some unpleasant language for some listeners, however get over yourself, some emotional intelligence. I listen to my children’s language and music today from the ages of 20 down to 15 and a little bit younger and I can assure you, you go and listen to this music every day and listen to what they’re singing and they’re not singing anything that you’re inspired by and singing about. These guys are singing about rape, killing, drugs, sex, pussy, nigga, black, and shoot and kill, and pussy and some of the most revolting language and self perpetuating violence, gang mentality. And when you listen to this, it is absolutely horrifying to older or other generations. To the younger generations, it’s just music, they’re just words, it’s just songs, it’s what we do. But I believe like Glenn does, and I’ve listened to a lot of Glenn stuff in the last couple of years. Music is an incredibly inspiring and powerful representation of a cohort of people, a generation, a mind of people whether they influencing into both or across generations. Now I have a son who’s 15 and he loves the 70s and 80s and he listens to all of that music. He also loves his modern rap with all the dirty stuff in it. But I find him listening more to the older stuff and I asked him, “Why do you like the old music?” And he goes, “Daddy, it’s got good meaning, and good sound and good beat and really, there’s big messages in there Dad that modern music doesn’t have.” So for generations, I think it’s important to think who are these generations? What influences? For me, I think music has a big play in this and if you were to sit down and start to look at the music that influences our youth, our elderly, our lifestyles, our generations, we can learn a lot about how we represent or present ourselves through the music and entertainment that we listen to.
Bron: I would totally agree with that. Just because having grown up in a conservative Christian environment and spending decades in that environment where your doctrine, what you believe is sung every Sunday and often, more than any sermon or message that you receive, what you sing and what you hear as other people sing. Sing these particular words that shapes, in this case, your faith views which is then a worldview in itself and you’ve become so much more aware of the power of music and the power of words to shape actually what we believe and what we think and then how we behave because of that.
Brian: Can I just say Drew in response to you talking about younger people and the type of music they like, I have been going to folk festivals for 40-50 years whatever but particularly the last 20 odd years, I’ve been going to the National Folk Festival in Canberra every year at Easter. And there’s a lot of older people there that play beautiful music. The thing that surprises me every year without fail is how many younger people are there playing the same beautiful music and writing their own beautiful music with lovely lyrics about love and peace and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And yes, it’s a throwback from the hippies but it’s still happening. There’s tens of thousands of young people writing beautiful stuff.
Dr. Drew: And so what do we do about getting that music on the broadways, on the airways, on the music in the DJ’s boxes rather than the trash that my children are listening to?
Wayne: You sound like an old man Drew when you don’t know.
Dr. Drew: But I’m not Wayne.
Wayne: If the music is too loud man, you’re too old.
Dr. Drew: No, but I love loud music. I just don’t like filth. And so at the end of the day, it’s pretty easy for me.
Wayne: At least you had a filth. Donald Trump uses those words, the most powerful man in the world has no difficulty with nigga and pussy and so on and so forth.
Dr. Drew: And I don’t like Donald Trump.
Wayne: You’re sure you’re not the only one out of step in this parade.
Dr. Drew: But I don’t mind being out of step because at some point, being the biggest and the leader, all of you will learn that you’re getting to my step behind me at some point. However, the thing is, I see myself quite generally as a modern man, my kids laugh, I have a man bun, heaven forbids says everybody. And I try and wear good trendy clothes, stay up to with the loud music. It doesn’t necessarily generally mean that I agree with it all and I can get into it. I can dance. I go to discos and the kids and they see me out in our local clubs and they get a bit horrified when they see my wife and I out. But we’re happy and sexy people. We don’t consider age, it’s just a number. But if we have this conversation we have, I’m not generalizing across, what I’m saying is that if we want a debate, have talk and discuss generations and some of the things we want to throw up on the table to discuss, have real meaning for generations. And when you look at if we want to start classifying out the Millennials, or Great, or Silent or Boomers, there are specific parts of these generations that have specific influence on the way society builds itself. So I’m not throwing it in to have the discussion or an argument in the debate. I’m saying that if the whole thing is knowing your generation, if you understand, I try my hardest to know the Millennial generation because I have children in it. So it’s a challenge when you’re being raised by Silent Generation and Great Generation people that I have to now so long down the line translate and understand working with very young people every day. And I try my hardest to understand. Don’t be too blocked from their learning and their voices and their noise but it still does not stop me from judging some of the things I see amongst their generation but it helps me to know my own generation because then I can become comfortable in the way I act or behave.
Glenn: Certainly Drew. If Trump was a song, we could take him off the turntable and that would be a wonderful thing I think. But you got to look at what are the variety of messages any niche is soaking in because in today’s world of music, there’s just so many different forms of music and different people listen to different things. Brian said, all different ages. However, if a kid or an adult or a 70 year old is listening to the hate message sort of music that you’re talking about and at the same time playing “kill me” many video games, mass slaughter video games and gaming 10 to 12 hours a day and then backing it up by watching YouTube shows with FC and FU all the way through. That the brain soaks in those suggestions, it becomes just the way that we do things. Many people are unaware of how many different suggestions are soaking into their brain. If we can teach people awareness of what’s soaking in, what’s a better message and more empowering for them to be able to soak in. I remember working with a group of kids and us playing a piece of Beethoven and they walked into the room with Megadeth t-shirts on and all black hair hanging and then they went, “What’s this shit?”, and I said “Are you kidding? This is the original heavy-metal mate.” And they said, “Really?” And I said, “Yes, yes, this guy broke every rule of music.” “ Whoa! What’s his name?”, “Beethoven.”, “Alright. Good name!” And they said, “Is he still alive?”, I said, “No, he’s dead.” They said, “What, drugs?”. I said, “No, venereal disease.” I mean they just loved him. Beethoven was the heavy metal of the day. Heavy metal can have some wonderful messages to it but we’ve got to be aware what is it that we’re soaking in. What is this brain and heart soaking in because sooner or later it becomes our worldview and we could be soaking in shit that’s not good for us. It’s not good for the planet.
Dr. Drew: Well I agree and I’m gonna say this for Amanda’s sake. I’ve watched recently a little meme coming through over the Prime Minister of Canada, is it a president or prime minister there?
Amanda: Prime Minister.
Dr. Drew: Prime Minister and I listened to his comment about, “We don’t like mankind. We want to now use the term “people kind.” For me, I don’t care what generation that anyone comes from. It doesn’t seem right. Some of this language and the push from these leaders who want to translate information to confuse generations of people to now tell people that what you know and what you grew up and what you’re culturally adapted to is going to change now because we don’t like it anymore. For me, it’s just surprising and shocking and it adds more to that debate Glenn that the questioning of what we’re being influenced by and why. And for our listeners and I’ll let you guys make some comments because I talk far too much but I’ll let some listeners make some comments and that is as older people in society, the older generations, we have built society a particular way not necessarily the best way but some of our foundations are very solid, and very true, and trusted, and learned and we should be holding very true to some of these foundations and keep reminding our youth that not all of the things that are older are bad and need to change.
Amanda: Yes, absolutely.
Brian: Can I just say a couple of things Drew? In terms of your own children and their music, you got a couple of options I think. One is you could change channels on whatever their listening to, that would be an easy one. But the other thing is and I’m not just talking about you, in and around New South Wales which I think is where you live Drew, there are dozens literally, dozens of festivals for different music. Buy them a ticket for their birthday and say “Go off to this festival. Go off to any of these festivals, the Blue Mountains festival.” Introduce them to different types of music. It’s soothing in their heart and they’ll enjoy themselves because there’s lots of other young people there, playing their guitars, using their flute, playing their banjo, whatever it is that they’re playing. Just go for it.
Dr. Drew: I will do my best Brian.
Brian: I’m relying on you Drew.
Dr. Drew: I do live in Noosa in Queensland in Woodford Festival. So I’m surrounded by tree huggers. Don’t you worry about that.
Brian: You’re right on the doorstep of Australia’s biggest festival which is Woodford.
Dr. Drew: That’s right, it just finished. I know we went this year. It was great.
Wayne: And a splendid drug-free experience we all had to.
Brian: They don’t do drugs.
Dr. Drew: Oh they don’t do drugs. You must go in there blindfolded then Brian.
Brian: Absolutely. Not actually blindfolded, more blinkers. I did, this is just a little personal story, when Woodford first started, I was on the organizing committee of it.
Dr. Drew: We can blame you then.
Brian: You can blame me for a little bit. I remember talking on duty, the police coming because there’s tens of thousand of people out there. The police used to volunteer for it. It was the best gig they could have. They didn’t want to be in any of the coastal towns where everybody got drunk and started fighting and doing whatever. They all wanted to be there in the festival because there’s almost no violence. I mean, yes people have been hit, people have fallen over and broken arms and broken leg, but I mean really it’s very, very peaceful. It’s a great place.
Dr. Drew: You’re dead right, Brian, and we do go and my older brother went this year and totally loved it. We didn’t go this year, but you are right, some a great festival. But there’s another festival every generation you should try to get to and I’ve been to 2 now they’re called the “Burning Man.” I had the privilege of meeting the gentleman that started this, Australian-Canadian fellow and why their concept was, I got well entrenched in talking to him at a function one night. He gave me tickets, invited me along to come and see the first one. I went to it. I was gobsmacked and again, multi generations of people expressing themselves through art, music and other things and then building that bonfire and making that man, and then burning it down, and expressing their freedom and they let go. It’s beautiful, a great weekend and anyone who gets a chance should go to the Burning Man because it is cross-generational people coming together for the same reason to express themselves.
Amanda: I think you just hit on something really important there is that it’s cross generational and as we’re talking about generations today, one of the things to remember is that every generation has something to learn from the previous generation and from the generation to follow. And I think any opportunity that you have, to have those conversations and to really go, “Okay, what can I learn?” that you’ve already done and maybe there’s a better way around this, “How can I do that?”
Wayne: Now Amanda, we haven’t heard much from you and I was just about to call on you because I was worried you might have nodded off there because Amanda is actually internationally with us today. She’s in downtown New Zealand. But Amanda, we’ve been talking about generations and you haven’t said “Lube, Lube, Lube” at all this episode.
Amanda: I told you about the music I like.
Wayne: Is there a sexual element to generational differences? Are there differences that you hear that you can cluster and classify by generation?
Amanda: Absolutely and there is definitely taboo surrounding every single generation. I remember, this is one of those funny things, I was dating my current husband at the time and it was Thanksgiving Holiday that they celebrate over in the U.S. and Canada and I was living in Australia at the time and I called home just to talk to everyone during dinner. And when I called home, my grandmother got on the phone and she said, “Whatever you do, don’t pull in Natalie.” And I was like “Oh, what has she done?” And so my younger cousin who’s only six months younger than I am, who’s been dating her current partner of 15 years was finally pregnant by him but they weren’t married. So my grandmother very clearly gave me her definition of “Don’t do that” just by saying “don’t pull a Natalie.” So right there, that’s one of the things that they wouldn’t think of actually, well there’s the generation that ‘never have sex until you are married’ and then there’s the generation that ‘had sex before being married because they didn’t care’ and then there’s a generation that’s ‘having sex with anyone because they can swipe left and swipe right.’ So there’s lots of changes. And we went through having no need to worry about condoms and birth control to now actually legitimately having to worry about the use of condoms and are you going to get pregnant? Are you going to get an STD that’s life-threatening? And all that other stuff.
Dr. Drew: Again, we’re in that place again.
Amanda: Yes, absolutely. I think once it peered it’s little ugly head, we haven’t really got rid of it. And I think one of the bigger problems actually is that the older generations who really didn’t grow up with needing the use of condoms and having conversations about their sexual partners are now in that stage where they’ve had a partner die or they’re divorced after 40 years of marriage and now they’re back in the dating scene. And all of a sudden, they do have to worry about STDs and herpes and “Is anything else gonna happen?”, and dah, dah, dah, dah. And they actually have to start having those conversations that 40 years ago, they never even had to have.
Dr. Drew: Yes and things also like Gardasil and vaccinations that you can now take for sexually transmitted diseases.
Amanda: Exactly. That didn’t even exist back then.
Glenn: And on that jukebox, you got Rod Stewart singing “If you want my body and then you think I’m sexy” and then you go to some folk festival and there’s a country singer singing a duet, “You’re the reason our kids are so ugly.”
Dr. Drew: That would be one of those beautiful songs that Brian is talking about.
Glenn: “How can I miss you if you won’t go away?” I mean, it comes through in songs all the way through in different types of music but yes very interesting to trace things musically but also because the music is like character trait stuff that you’re talking about Amanda.
Brian: The other problem that we’ve raised here of course is that right at this moment, every lady in Canada with the name of Natalie is saying “It wasn’t me.”
Dr. Drew: To her husband. There’s a great movie I suggest, if you’re into Ozzy movies. I like Australian movies, some not so good but most are pretty good. There’s a new Ozzy movie released with Kylie Minogue and a few other people in it. It’s called “Swinging Safari.” You must go and see it. It’s a new release. It’s called Swinging Safari and it’s around the 70s in Australia and it’s quite funny, go and watch it. It’s a lot about that generation, how they did things, how the younger generation saw them, how the older generation saw them and how they lived their life in Australia. It’s particularly Australian but it’s a great movie to watch if you remember that generation.
Glenn: I’m on Spotify, Swing and Safari is a piece of music. In the 60s, I think Brian.
Brian: I think it was Herb Alpert.
Dr. Drew: That’s right and they played that LP in the movie.
Wayne: I think it might have been both of them really. Ladies and gentlemen the clock is against us again and we’re coming close to the end of our time. Do we have closing thoughts?
Amanda: I think one of the things that brought up that I think is really important is that in every generation as much as we can try to placate them between one line and another. Understand that there’s definitely some outliers and so just because they are in that generation, doesn’t necessarily mean they’re going to be like that generation.
Glenn: If I had a song to throw into the brew, let’s go with Burt Bacharach and “what the world needs now is love, sweet love” and it doesn’t matter what generation or what time period.
Wayne: Are we still talking about STDs?
Dr. Drew: No. You’re welcome to if you want to Wayne.
Wayne: No. I’m just being inspired here by Glenn.
Dr. Drew: I was gonna say, is there something on your mind you wish to get off?
Bron: I was just going to say, one of the things I love is that cross generational thing. Sometimes it happens with my own children but more often than not, it happens with other young people who are in the same age group as my children but are not connected to me by blood and just being able to find that you’re on the same wavelength even though they are maybe nearly 40 years separate you, it’s a wonderful thing.
Brian: I agree Bron. I think as far as I am concerned, I’m sure we’re all the same. I have lots of friends in different generations whatever they may be called and I get a positive feedback from all of them. I mean I love learning from people younger or older than me. I don’t meet many people older than me. I’m not saying, but I love it.
Dr. Drew: And for me, everybody it’s a case of you should know your generation and learn more about your generation. Be comfortable about your generation and where you come from, but learn to look and listen and love other generations because I believe it’s a matter of connection. We’re all connected no matter what generation we come from. There is not that much difference between us as humans and I’ll agree with Brian today and that is that we all need to learn to find the connective space that makes us all one generation.
Wayne: And so dear listeners we come to the end of yet another titillating and entirely entertaining episode. I just wanted to get the word “titillating” in there while the conversation was at that point. To our panelists once again, thank you for sharing with us your thoughts and your brilliance. It’s been a pleasure having you with us Glenn Capelli, Bron Williams, Amanda Lambros and Brian Hinselwood. To my co-host, Drew who never fails to bring to us issues of importance and as a personal challenge, I’d like to see Drew refrain from using the words “emotional intelligence” for 24 hours and a video coming to you soon on YouTube. And to you dear listeners, thank you for being with us. It’s been a pleasure having you with us. Once again, some blatant begging, please do click all those buttons at the bottom of the screen, tell us you like us, tell us you love us, share us with your friends. We need all of that love so that we can convince sponsors to come and give us free tickets to see Swinging Safari. Thank you very much. It’s a pleasure having you with us today. This is Booms Day Prepping. My name is Wayne Bucklar, we’ll be back with you in about a week.