Episode 21 – Baby Boomers Sharing their Favorite Things to Do during their Pastime

Everyone in the world has a favorite hobby. It’s very common when you first meet someone, one of the questions you ask is “what’s your favorite hobby?” or “what do you do in your free time?” Some people like photography, some like writing, others like reading a good book. What about Baby Boomers? What are the hobbies that interest them? Are their interests different from those of other generations such as Millennials?  The insightful Booms Day Prepping panelists join together to discuss their own favorite pastime. Let’s find out what do they love to do during their free time.

Transcript

Wayne Bucklar:  You’re listening to Booms Day Prepping, our regular weekly look at what’s happening for Baby Boomers in the next stage of their lives. And we have as normal, my co-host Drew Dwyer is here with us and our panel as always is Baby Boomers all, we have with us Bron Williams from today, New South Wales in Australia. We have with us Brian Hinselwood from Queensland in Australia, we have with us Glen Capelli from Victoria in Australia and now for something new and completely different we’re going internationally, Dr. Drew Dreyer is joining us from Thailand and Amanda Lambros joins us from Canada. So we’ve got the East Coast of Australia well and truly covered and a few spots elsewhere on the sphere. So this is Booms Day Prepping and today, we’re going to have a talk about what is your favorite pastime? And as usual, we’ll ask Dr. Drew to lead us off on the topic. Drew, what’s your thoughts about this?

Dr. Drew Dwyer:  Good morning everybody. I hope you’re all doing well. It’s a great subject for me because when we talk about ageing and we work around ageing, one of the concepts of good focus or positive focus in ageing is to find purpose and to look for something that you have an interest in or something you have a passion for. So past times, hobbies, things that distract or divert you from thinking about negative thoughts, a very important as we age because we’ve got to have a purpose as human beings and it’s important to find things that have interest. For most people that I do consult and work with, I generally find that sits around the personal interests of things like art. I put this into the spices of life category. So engaging in art, music, music is always a great thing. If you have a skill in music, a skill in art, something you’ve always wanted to do, for some people it’s treble.  A lot of people get confused within this sector of working around older people, and ageing and retirees and they might say, “Take up cooking or take up this.” We’ll take up that to distract you or get you an interest. And it might being for that particular person, their whole life and their working life was a cook, or a cleaner or a schoolteacher and they actually don’t want to do that anymore, it’s not an interest for them and they consider that work rather than play and it becomes more of a hindrance, or a bugbear or an anxiety issue rather than learn more about the construct of finding something you like. So I’ll put it to the panel this morning to start off with and I’ll tell you mine, something that for pastime, for me is I’m looking at when I do step into the retirement years, I’ve got a massive interest in glassblowing which is an art form that’s disappeared rapidly. Anywhere I live, there’s a guy who teaches glassblowing, it’s quite an ancient art and that’s what I’m going to take up and develop and make glassblowing products, plates and bars and things. So that’s where I’m going to put some of my passion, some of my creativity if I think I’ve got a bit inside me. What about yourselves Brian?

Brian Hinselwood:  Look, I haven’t changed. I mean being in acting fraternity, I still spend a lot of time around theaters and studios and things like that. And this year, I’m doing two shows, two plays and next year, I’m directing the play. So I do the same things that I’ve always done. But I do find as I get older that I do feel guilty because I don’t think I’m doing enough. I’ve just taken up again reading books because I haven’t read a book for about two months and I think I got only books to read and I have enough time because I’m writing or trying to learn lines or whatever it is I’m trying to do. So I find the more I do, the less satisfied I am.

Dr. Drew:  Brian, do you find that when you say you haven’t got time because you’re trying to learn lines or read and you’re of course, thinking you’re 70, is that right?

Brian:  Yes.  

Dr. Drew:  Do you find that the older you’ve got, the harder it is to remember lines or to work in spaces? Is it a pleasure or is it a burden to you as much as you love it?

Brian:  Yes, I love it. It is harder to remember lines. When you say it’s a pleasure, it’s a pleasure as the final curtain comes down and you’ve got applause because going on, even now to having gone on stage, I can’t resigned. It’s terrifying, it’s always, always terrifying. It’s the same with you people who do public speaking. I’d be very surprised in any of you don’t get a little bit nervous before you speak out in the audience. It’s exactly the same thing.

Dr. Drew:  And so is that your purpose Brian? To reach that goal of the curtain coming down on stage, the completion of the performance and your artwork completed and then everyone’s happy?

Brian:  Look, I think any actor, they told you that they don’t give … these lines. That’s all … you can’t there enough to which somebody else are all dreadful or told you how wonderful you are. Yes, we’re all little egotist and like to be pass it on the head and the back and anywhere else for that matter. It’s all about the applause.

Dr. Drew:  How wonderful. And Bron, what’s your favorite pastime or have you got one other than I know you do work and focused in the new work space in your new age? But what do you do to really alleviate work space and what you do for passion, for time? Bron?

Bron Williams:  The two things that interestingly and their ties in with what I do is I love stories. So I love movies and I love reading books like I need to get a new book. I have found as I’ve got older either I’m much more picky about writers or there’s a plethora of novels that I believe are poorly written. So maybe it’s a combination. I used to never put down a book. If I’d started a book, I would see it through to the end. But I am much less inclined to do that. I Will persevere with a book that I think, “Maybe this is going to get better.” But if it hasn’t got better by halfway through, it’s not going to get better if I’m not engaging with the characters. And it’s the same now with movies like I do lots of house sitting and so I tapped into lots of people’s Netflix. And there are like so many, many stories and I look at the little synopsis and go, “No, I don’t want to do that.” It’s like there is, I don’t know whether I’ve just got picky with the stories that I want to interact with or we’re just getting too much of the same, versions of the same, there are only so many themes you can have. But some people tell stories much better than others and so I love stories but I like good stories.

Dr. Drew:  Fifty Shades of Grey stories Bron?

Bron:  So not. I did see the movie.

Dr. Drew:  So forget the book, get movie.

Bron:  The movie was pathetic, sorry. The dialog was suspicious.

Brian:  The book was pathetic. I read the first book. The girl whatever her name is, she had said, “Oh my, one more time.” I called into the book and killed her.

Dr. Drew:  Glenn, what’s your thoughts on pastimes, and hobbies and as we age, what we do to keep their brain space focus in the positive zones?

Glenn Capelli:  Wonderful to listen in to folk. And the way I saw when the theme saw first came through to me Drew was to really consider what my pastimes, where in past times and had they transitioned into current times. Some of them if they’re not there, had they left a gap that my life feels a bit depleted by? So for an example where I was a runner for many, many years. So I would run marathons and everyday, I would run at least 10 to 20 Ks. And it was thinking time for me and when you’ve been a runner and then you’ve got no knees left to walk is not necessarily the same thing. But gradually, I’ve transitioned that my running has become walking. I walk every day and do kilometres but at the same time, walking helps me to think that it seems to help the chemistry in my brain. So I may no longer be able to run on the knees that I’ve got that it’s transitioned to a good walk every day. And likewise, I look at my reading like Bron. I’ve always been a reader and a writer. And my reading initially was purely fiction, I only read fiction and then for a time of my life, I only read nonfiction. Now I mix it up but if there is a transition, I decide to read with glasses these days. And also, we’ve got these new technologies so sometimes I choose to buy a book as in a traditional book because I love the feel of that book. And I also think that my wife Lindy might enjoy reading that same book. But other times, I might buy a book and buy it by Amazon and put it onto my iPad, on my Kindle and read it in digital form either because it’s such a thick book and I’m done traveling for a long period of time but I don’t want to be carrying a huge tome of a book or I know it’s a book that I’m never gonna return to, I’m not going to use it as a resource. And I would think even a further transitioning would be for some people if they lose their sight to the capacity where they can’t read very well anymore, tapping into more audiobooks. A different experience again and not one that really super excites me although Brian, there’s a book called, “Lincoln in the Bardo” which it’s a strange and wonderful book, won a prize and it’s got so many characters in it that it almost reads like a play. It’s almost you’re reading a novel but it almost reads like a play script. So it’s audio version, it’s got a hundred different voices in it, all played by major actors and it is a sensational experience. So to me, it’s really interesting what past times have stayed in our past time and what have transitioned into some new format for us. We keep the interest and we keep the learning in some way and somewhat, I’m gonna plan for it. I’m now at the age of 60 plus. So I’m no longer going on a football field, kicking a football around. So how do I have that team experience? How do I transition that? So I’ve got something in my life now that is part of that what the team game taught me.

Dr. Drew:  That’s a good point Glenn because this is the next topic or the next section we’ll talk about and that is a lot of older people as they age in transition, clearly tell me they don’t want to become members of senior citizens clubs, they don’t want to join associations or book-reading clubs or whatever it is that we supposedly older people are meant to do in retirement. But we run huge risks when we age that we will have a tendency to transition into isolation, removing ourselves from the things that they have connection and we’ve spoken about connection on other podcasts. But it is important to still have that team connection, connection with others, football team, rugby team. I will always be a part of my local rugby club. My son plays rugby as he steps up into the senior grades of rugby now. I have no doubt when he’s not playing rugby for the local club. I will still be actively involved in my rugby club – I like the people there, I like the community spirit there and I’ll get involved and offer my skills and services as a volunteer through the rugby club because I know it will keep me connected to my community and that will be of interest to me.

Brian:  And this is where future comes in because your always with a group.

Wayne:  And I did want to tell stories about you Brian for a moment here. Brian and I have been working on this little plot to bring back to the world radio plays. We’re going to bring together some actors from Brian’s friends and companions who are all of our age group and they’re going to perform a play as a radio play as we’re doing now using technology to record it from all around the place. And I’m going to lend my technical expertise to it to edit it and bring it together and we’re just going to have a play with whether there is an audience of people listening to their peers, performing what used to be of course a major entertainment, radio plays where enormously popular prior to television. So just for one of those things that’s coming soon, a radio play that’s recorded out of the internet as a podcast. It will be an interesting little experiment. And while I have the floor, I should talk about hobbies because I am a big impassioned believer in hobbies. Historically, it might have been because I don’t do anything with my hands, I type on a keyboard. They’ve been things that have to be very physically. So I was into wood turning for a while and I love it when you start a new hobby and you can spend lots of money buying stuff and looking forward to using it and putting it all together. But the two bowls that I did create cost about $5,000 each when I worked it out, but they were fabulous wooden bowls. And I made some of the best looking shavings that you’ve ever seen. Following that I took up pottery and again, my pots were a little bit dearer, they cost about $8,000 each. But both of those fell away when I moved overseas and I had to pack everything up into a suitcase and shift. But I did stick with painting and I was going to tell you how painting is such an important thing for me and how I spend so much time on it and it’s my hobby and my pastime. But before I came on air this morning, it occurred to me that in the last three years, I’ve spent about an hour painting. So whilst those still have the idea that I’d paint, I haven’t actually done any and it’s interesting that you asked the question today Drew. It brought to my mind the fact that work-life balance thing that we were talking about recently. My painting has fallen off the camera so as to speak.

Dr. Drew:  When we look at the young generation behind us, they’re very much fixated and focus on under “me, me, me, I, I, I,” the lifestyle, the benefit from me which is interesting. Growing up myself as a young person, the focus by your parents on to you and what you did was your purpose in work – work, work, work, work, work,  and the foundations of having the house, the mortgaged, the everything else because without that, you weren’t going to succeed. Now moving forward from there, I have a question for Bron. Bron, when we talk about older women, middle-aged women, women who are in retirement years, what do you think is important for women to focus on once they’ve been transitioned? Let’s go past the menopause phase perhaps, past the empty nesting, perhaps past the new life same as most time as yourself and ended marriage and finding yourself single with not in the same space you thought, you were going to be when you got married. What is your advice for women in their 60s and above when it comes to staying engaged, having a hobby and having an interest as they age?

Bron:  Thank you. That is a really good question because I really have to keep asking that of myself as well particularly now that I do, I spend a bit like Wayne, a lot of time on my business and perhaps, not as much time actually focusing on the things that matter, my business doesn’t matter to me but to me as an individual. I think it’s that one of the things that women often do is that we lose ourselves along the way in the marriage, the partnership, the child-rearing, often in the career and so it’s that sense of recovering, recovering your dreams, recovering the things that are important to you like I look at my mum, she finished a cross-stitch last year. So at the age of 92, she was still doing cross stitch because that is important to her part of her creativity. So I think it’s finding those things that give us a creative outlet and I found it was interesting Drew that you say if I have a creative bent in me which is glassblowing, I actually believe every human being has some measure of creativity just like all of us can run. Some of us obviously run marathons which is so not something I’ve done. But we can all run and we can all be creative. So I think finding those creative things that we can do and whether that’s scrapbooking and taking up art classes even if you don’t think you’re very good at them because we’ve all got I think this creative spirit in us. So I think that’s really important for women is to tap back into that.

Glenn:  Bron, I think that point about not being good at it is actually part of the reason to invite something in often because we have led certain lives and had a degree of success with our lives. We figure that we’re starting something new where you reveal that you’re an absolute completely hopeless at something. Not something, some people find the mental aptitude to be able to do but I think that’s where the great challenge is. Wayne, I thought it was very interesting with what you’re talking about and your friends probably suggested you take up bowls and you interpret it as making wooden bowls and $5,000 of each and the beauty of art that’s coming to your life. Sometimes we find our way to a hobby indirectly. My mate Andrew Bellatti, brilliant teacher, brilliant educator and contracted something called, “Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS)” difficult to say, syndrome terrible thing. Joseph Heller had it for 5 years and he was totally paralyzed with it. But my mate, they told him it would be 3 years before he’d walk again and as part of his treatment at Shannon Park Hospital in Perth, he did some occupational therapy and some art. And suddenly, this art really started do emerge. So sometimes, we find our way through a great challenge, we find our way to something that could be good for us. And then beyond once he got mobile again, he still incorporates art into his life. So sometimes, we can find our way to something indirectly and through a challenge in and it leaves a legacy that’s a good one rather than just a devastating one.

Brian:  I just thinking Glenn, that’s a really good point when you mentioned your friend because for those who might not know, we just have the comer of games here in Queensland, on the Gold Coast. And combined for the first time ever was the Paralympic Games. And I often think when I see those people, bits of body missing, they’re in a wheelchair, they’re cycling per or whatever they are, whether they would have taken up sport, the particular sport they’re in, if they haven’t had the impairment. And I’m stun at what those people do. Every time I see them, I’m almost in tears watching them just out of jealousy really that they’re so motivated. But I often wonder how many of them  would have taken up the sport that they’re involved in, had they … whatever the handicap is that they’ve got.

Wayne:  And just for the sake of the technical correctness before we get lots of hate mail, I think Brian it was the Para Commonwealth Games and the able to Commonwealth Games, not the Olympic Games that were mixed in there. I think you may have misspoke and I could see a thousand members in the olympic committee sending us hate. So just let me do.

Brian:  My humble apology.

Glenn: I think you’re meaning that all of them were Olympian in their heart.

Wayne:  Nicely recovered Glenn, well-patched.

Glenn:  Everyone’s go, they just going to behave but they can do it.

Brian:  Let’s be honest. All the races of the same length, they all run a 100 meters or a marathon or whatever it is they do.

Bron:  I love seeing that like you could be watching the 400 meter relay in the pool with our top able-bodied athletes and then the next minute, you’re seeing people swim it up and down the peel who have half a leg or missing a hand. And it was just everybody together, it was all about athletics rather than capacity. And I thought it was just wonderful.

Dr. Drew:  Well, it all deals with inspiration and I just want to … As a young person growing up, I had an auntie heavily disabled and she inspired me because her hobby was painting and she did it with her mouth. There’s all the only part of her body I could move and it was her head and she was meant to die at a young age and lived to a quite an old age. And I’m going to sit with her in Wagga Wagga when I go and see her I was posted to an army base there. Reader used to say, I used to ask her because they used to take so long to finish these paintings, “Can I ask why do you paint?” She said to me, “I’ve got to and I want to. I’ve been in this chair my whole life,” she said. “I want to and I’ve got to put something from this chair out into the space of everybody else because I can’t get out there and I can’t be connected with it.” So she used to paint local churches, buildings, the objects, things, scenes, all with her mouth and these things took her the longest time to complete. So she’s inspired me no matter where you are on what you’re doing and how restricted you may be, you can find a passion, you can find a hobby and you can put some effort into that. And if you can connect with it and inspires you, it motivates you, it’s a very positive thing to have.

Glenn:  And it’s almost something we need to do and look at that when people are unable or seemingly unable, let’s find a way to make it able. So for example in life-saving, the wonderful work they’re now doing with creating surfing devices for people who have got all kinds of disability or physicality that wouldn’t allow them to go and surf away, but now they can and they’ve got wheelchair access down to the beach where the wheelchair can go in and become the surfboard. So that it’s almost like improve where there is a constraint. Let’s breathe the creativity and and therefore, stimulate the idea to turn that impossible into possible if not for us, so somebody else.

Dr. Drew:  Is this very pure to the thought Wayne because at the moment in Australia, particularly and I know it’s a global issue as well as we talk about the ageing populations. As they introduce ageing as the construct of people being supported to live independently in a home, a subject we have discussed about. They’ve introduced the word “Reablement.” This context of discussion annoys the Christ out of me, pardon those who don’t like me saying things like that but it does because I often think as a gerontologist why are we reabling people. A lot of these people haven’t lost a lot of ability, they don’t have a disability, they probably have comorbidity, they probably got unwellness, they’re probably aged to a point where they’ve not being able to engage at the things they used to engage. Reablement is actually a word not in the dictionary and for me, it should be built around the goals and the missions to give someone a purpose and a mission and so forth. So they always want to put them in a gym, get them on a walking group, get them exercise them, and eat more, and reable them and I think well, why can’t we in that construct also look at introducing them to art, to music, to theater. What if we can re enable them by reconnecting them with a purpose and a circle of influence that will have meaning to them. Isn’t that also reablement? Why does it have to be put him in a gym, teach him how to brush their teeth, again do these things from like they were disabled? Yes, they’re ageing, yes they’re frailing, yes they may have losing some of the physical capacities they used to have as you said walking rather marathon running. But I really love the concept of getting them to connect with something that will able them to have more passion and more drive.

Glenn:  I’d certainly love the idea that you go beyond where you’ve been before but I also think that that phrase “reable” could really be one of the approaches for all of us. How do we reable some past time that we used to have and if we’re unable to do it now, but how do we reable it in a different form, a different context? I think in vocabulary, it could be a really nifty thing to go, “Okay, I used to write. But now, I’m writing in a different way.” It’s amazing how many people said, “I used to do this when I was a kid but I haven’t touched it since.” To reable in a different context could be a wonderful way, a wonderful thing to do.

Wayne:  I am reaching for a difficult segway here but before we move too far, it strikes again.

Dr. Drew:  With that reablement, tell me what your thoughts on as we age and we want to do things that we’re passionate about. All of a sudden, we’re told we can’t because we’re too old, and it’s too risky, and you might fall, and you might get sick, and something might happen to you, and you’re too dangerous and you’re too risky. So a lot of people I work with in the elder space will tell me, “Oh no, I can’t do that. The daughter won’t let me.” The son said, “No, that’s too dangerous now. I don’t have the abilities anymore.” And I think we’re constantly stereotyping and putting older people even Boomers in their 60s and so forth that they can’t do it, it’s too risky and it’s a threat to them. For me, let them take the risk. Go for a jump as high off the cliff as you can, just make sure you got a parachute.

Brian:  Isn’t that one of the reasons most people have children because I now can’t play soccer anymore but hey, my son can and my grandson can and whatever. So you kind of relive it all through the generation following on. I mean Drew just mentioned before about his son playing rugby and he’s in rugby club and you can’t tell me that Drew doesn’t go along and feel almost every bump, and every tackle, and every goal, and every try and whatever else they’re doing rugby because that’s what you do – we get to, relive it all through this.

Bron:  But I think sometimes it’s also about our own, it’s not only just about our children saying, “Don’t do this.” But we tell ourselves that too. We think, “Oh, I’m in my 60s, I’m in my 70s, I should or should not be doing certain things.” So I think we often limit ourselves and we have to not do that as well because I think you say Drew, whatever we can do something, they take the risks, use a parachute rather than jump off the cliff without that. And yes, just continue to try new things.

Glenn:  I think it’s always nifty to introduce some new element into life at any given stage because the brain needs a challenge. It doesn’t necessarily love being challenged but we need the knowledge and disrupt their own. And tackling something we haven’t done before could be a wonderful thing. One of the regrets I have in life is that my wonderful father-in-law who was a brilliant swimmer and as he was approaching his death, he wanted to be taken down to the ocean. And we’ve been told, “No, don’t do it because we put him in in a threatening situation” and blah, blah, blah. And we bowed to the decision of others and didn’t take max down to the ocean. Maybe it would have brought his death a week closer but he wanted to go to the ocean, he wanted to feel that water on him and we should have done it.

Bron:  Yes.

Brian:  Yes, it’s one of the awful things when you’ve lost somebody, your parents, whoever they might be is, “Oh, I wish I’d had.” And it’s one of the things they said, “I try to live by telling people now what I think, good bad or indifferent,” because there’s going to come a time when you’re not going to have that opportunity. I think it’s very important as Glenn just pointed out. Once somebody has died obviously, it’s too late. So do it now. If it increases a danger, so what?

Dr. Drew:  I’m going to make sure as I age, I’ve got plenty of risks so I can scare the pants off every single one in person in my family as I grow old ungracefully. But for me, I think I’m gonna work staying in a focus of hobbies as I get older but I know for a fact, one of my hobbies and one of my wife’s hobbies. What we’re trying to do is get that work-life balance where for us work because we are passionate about it and the job we do, work will become a hobby. I would rather work for me to be a hobby something I’ll do because I love a couple of days a week, a few hours a week, I’m interested in it, I have patient for it, yes it’s work, yes it pays me money and more benefit that is.

Bron:  Absolutely.

Glenn:  As we age, we sage. And if you can find somebody who can benefit from your saging, that’s wonderful. If somebody to coach, somebody to help, somebody have a conversation with and in some cases, these people even pay us for that knowledge.

Brian:  And again, I keep bringing the fact obviously because of my life to theatre, but you keep on doing it. The play I’m about to direct next years is about two young people. And it’s lovely working with young people because you can teach them so much. Currently, I don’t think you can teach people to act per se, you can teach them how to get in performance. And it’s always great when you see them on stage after which you think, “Oh, that work free well.”

Dr. Drew:  Bron, I recently met and ran into a group and I’m seeing more of this, group of men, older men, Boomer men who in their retirement years now have got together formed up and they’re doing a cappella singing and nuns choirs, men only. And I’m fascinated by this because not only are men are as amateurs, they’re pretty good. Generally, a few of them had interest in the industry of the music or whatever. They’ve encouraged other men in a bricklayer, firefighters, rugby heads and now they’re all together at probably once a week or once a fortnight writing songs, putting together chorals and then performing at the end of the year or functions throughout the year as volunteers. And for me as a man and to see other men bond this way, it’s a real nice thing to see older men who are more mature, more settled, having a go, not worrying about what people think, working together and they produce some really nice music or songs and some good stuff. It’s very proceeding and it’d be a great hobby for any man to dip his toe in the water on.

Brian:  I’m also having great fun. I have great fun doing that.

Glenn:  Brian, I got a question to ask you. A friend of mine I used to do radio with West Australians with Peter Holland very well, newsreader, radio man. But he would go on stage every now and again and this was in his 60s and late 60s and do a one-man play. So have you ever done a play where it’s you’ve been the whole play? I mean what a challenge to learn?

Brian:  It is and I have been in a couple of places where I’ve been on stage the entire time. And that’s difficult even when you’ve got other actors coming in and out. And I love one act with one man play, one person plays because you get to do so much. I mean I saw one time, I just tell a little story and it was about a fortune-teller. And the lady who was performing it had the crystal ball in front of us. So we thought she was done up at the Gypsy and she was in the middle of the stage, nothing else on stage. She had this little table with a cloth over it and a crystal ball. In the first probably minute of the play, the crystal ball ran off the table and snatched. So she had to do this whole play with a pretend crystal ball on her own it was brilliant. It was just explicit what she did.

Glenn:  And she didn’t say that coming?

Brian:  No.

Dr. Drew:  Well, do any of us see anything coming? So that’s time for me. There’s a good segway to the back to our subject and that’s, do any of us see ageing coming? And do any of us know what’s ageing is gonna be like? I don’t think so. You can plan. I’m a planner, I like people to plan and people will say, “Drew, you’re always about planning and setting up structures and scaffolding.” And I go, “Yes because at some point, I can assure you, it’s all going to turn this shit.” And people say, “Well, that’s very negative.” I go, “No, that’s very natural, it’s normal.” But you need to have a plan in place. If hobbies, and interests and things that can back you up and diverts you are going to be some of that plan, make sure they go into that plane because they’re important things and don’t just leave yourself with nothing, and no fault, or no creativity, and no hobby, and no interest because you’ll end up a boring old sap and no one will want to connect with you and know you and I don’t think any person who ages wants to be categorized or stereotyped into that boring old person. And I have to say if the list of things that you want to still do, then give yourself at least 10 weeks because of that mindset that we want to be at something and it’s like, “At least give it 10 weeks,” because you’re gonna stuff it up a whole stack of times.  It will start a shit and “ПЕРВЫЙ БЛИН КОМОМ,” “The First Pancake is Always Lumpy.” Boy, I’m actually getting good at this but let’s give it 10 weeks and then go on to the next 10 week thing if you want to change.

Dr. Drew:  I totally agree and at the end of the day to Wayne, I think even if you’re bad at it as you like, it cares, if anyone else doesn’t like eating your pancakes.

Wayne:  Well, I think it’s interesting that pretty much all of us have shaped our working lives to do the things we want to do. It’s not like any of us maybe with the exception of you Drew with your being the youngest and the most actively working in what you would consider a legitimate profession if that’s the right word. You still work actively as a gerontologist and Amanda still works actively as a counselor. But we’ve all kind of shaped our working lives around doing things we enjoy doing.

Dr. Drew:  Well I mean you’ve got to enjoy it more. Even in aged care nursing guys, I have a lot of friends who tell me, “Yuck, how can you do what you do?” But it’s interesting but I love it. I have a another medical colleague of mine and I’m not going to be rude about it but he’s ended up in the fake implant breast department, that’s what he does. And he works in plastic breast implants and we get together when we have a wine and I laugh and I say, “Look at our journeys from the Army, and the time, and nurses, and inter medicine, and the differences. So I said, “You now spend your time around young women and breast implants and I spend my time around older women and their dying process.” And he said, “Yes but Drew, you know the interesting thing is we both love what we do.” It’s an interesting, it’s a bit of sarcasm when he says that, but he says we both love what we do. Now I have to go away and think about that here he is doing something with as a male, as a clinician with young people, and exciting and breast implants, and blah, blah, blah. I’m at the other end of the scale, the natural fact we both love doing the job we love doing. And you’ve got to have that passion interest, not everyone will get it or understand why you have it but you don’t have to worry about what other people think. If you spend your time Wayne, what other people think about what you’re doing, it’s more reflection on the other person than yourself.

Bron:  Always.

Brian:  Look I agree, I mean again because of the lifestyle I chose, the lifestyle that I’ve stumbled into and keep stumbling along, caring about what other people think is certainly not a priority for me. It’s just that they’re doing it, if they like it, that’s terrific and if they don’t, wow you know. As Glenn said, try to turn weeks and maybe next time it will be better.

Dr. Drew:  Well I love the fact Brian there are no rules on hobbies, and interests and pastime. They’re completely up to the individual and there are no rules on it and that’s again, for the ageing people, for the Baby Boomers, for anyone elder, stay in the space where there are no rules because it’s a great to be a rebel.

Brian:  I’m not sure that taking up painting or pottery is actually how I redefine a rebel.

Glenn:  But if you gonna take a pottery, then be rebellious in it. Create something that (crosstalk.)

Brian:  That’s right. I have to say I have a few friends  who’ve taken up various arts, painting, pottery, whatever. Some of them are very, very good. I mean they’ve surprised me. But more importantly, I think they’ve really surprised themselves.

Dr. Drew:  I can’t go much Brian for these people that go and put a canvas in a room, cover their dog in three different colors of paint, get the dog to shake itself, put sprays on a canvas and they go, “ART.” Anyone goes, “Oh my God, that looks fantastic.”

Wayne:  Fortunately Drew we don’t need your approval in the art world.

Bron:  Jackson Pollock might have something to say about that.

Brian:  It was interesting that Wayne to jump in the …

Dr. Drew:  Yes. Have a look at some of these paintings.

Brian:  I have painting in my house which was … paint all over a native young man and the young man rolling on the canvas. It’s actually a lovely painting, it really is.

Dr. Drew:  I got to see that.

Brian:  Next time, you go in Brisbane Drew.

Dr. Drew:  Well, I was planning I’ve got to come and see one of your plays Brian.

Brian:  I will post them all online and you can come along and see them.

Glenn:  You can do a play as a naked man that rolls in paint.

Dr. Drew:  As I said, I’m more interested to see how you do the art rather than what are these hid resolve is that you’re about to say to me, bring out a check for $8,000.

Wayne:  Bring your checkbook when you come and I’m sure Brian will a price on it. But the sausage-maker never invite you to see how the sausage is made and the artist never explains.

Dr. Drew:  That’s right.

Brian:  That’s very deep.

Wayne:  We had a little exhibition Brian and we had a little bit exhibition of artwork and some people who I didn’t even know or weren’t family members bought some. So I was very impressed.

Brian:  Yes indeed.

Bron:  Very good.

Brian:  Got rid of it. Most of it, not all of it. You did very well. And it was fun for a couple of days, it was a lot of work.

Wayne:  The hardest thing I found about art was accepting that I was an artist and accepting that it wasn’t about what other people liked. That’s the difficult thing to get hold of is that an artist is someone who makes an artifact. And if no one likes you’re artifact, it doesn’t devalue the artifact, it doesn’t change its worth. Art is something you do for your own entertainment. If you do it in order to sell art, then it’s a job not a hobby.

Glenn:  And I just read a book called the “World of Tomorrow” which is just an absolutely stunning novel. I thought my uncle had recommend, it’s just a brilliant read. So I went on to good read not just said, this is a brilliant book. And there’s a whole stack of people that are telling me, it’s not a brilliant book. Anytime you create something and just leave it out, there a piece of art, then you know you’re gonna be judged and you know some people gonna like it in some art. And sadly, that kind of thing restrict some people from going ahead with their art, or going ahead with their writing, or going ahead with their opinion. Where is made, we’re going to have that kind of diversity that need to.

Brian:  It’s interesting because earlier on in this conversation, Bron was talking about folks and how she’s got very pity and she’s got older and some types of books she doesn’t like anymore. And I’m not criticizing Bron at all, but I’m just saying but at least that person notable and it’s published, it’s art. Yes, not everybody is going to like, not everybody likes any book I would think. So the trick is to finish the art, finish the book, finish the story, finish the play and it’s whatever it is and just put it out there.

Wayne:  Now, who would have thought that we could have made past times controversial such as skill of the panel that we’re able to make pretty much everything controversial. It’s getting to that time of last thoughts ladies and gentlemen.

Brian:  I’ll go first with the last thoughts. My thoughts which is pretty much what we summarizing, what we’ve been saying is to just to get into something. And from my experience, theatre is the easiest thing in the world to get into. You don’t need to be an actor, you don’t need to be a set builder, you can be almost anything. If you can work computers, these days you can do sounds and like some also to think. And it really does become a second family, it was … since I was a young boy. But it would be like being in a choir. You’re with this group of people, you’re with them for how many hours a week, and they come all as a second family. Brilliant, brilliant.

Bron:  Well I will throw my last thoughts in there and say just continue to stay connected or to reconnect with who you are and find a way of being able to let that person out. Don’t just be bound by the things you’ve always done. Maybe take a risk, try something new.

Wayne:  Thank you Bron.

Glenn:  I’d like to give it a couple of theme songs to today’s topic and on is courtesy of Brian, Suzi Quatro, “Stumblin’ In.”  Just keep stumbling in and tumbling in and maybe Suzi Q is a good example of just keep renewing your talent and life too and reabling yourself constantly. But the real theme song for me would be the birds version of “Turn, Turn, Turn (To Everything There is a Season)” So in your seasonal life, find some new things for that season. And there’s a line in there Drew that goes back to your very starting point, a time for every purpose.

Dr. Drew:  Yes, I agree. My final comments is that find that purpose – live, love and get light in your life everybody. I know it might sound a bit deep but it’s so true at the end, it’s a small things that matter. Don’t just make it long, and lasts and survive life because that’s boring as hell. So I’d like to put a word in for Amanda’s little usual comment and that is find a hobby, find an interest, make it the lubrication of your life.

Wayne:  And in this week, when we lost Avicii, one of the the great artists of current times. His words wake me up, he says, “When I’m older and I’m wiser.” And I think for us the Baby Boomers, we should celebrate that a little more than we do perhaps. Ladies and gentlemen, that has been Booms Day Prepping. Can I thank our panelists as always, we’ve been joined by Glenn Capelli, Brian Hinselwood, Amanda Lambros and Bron Williams and my co-host has been Drew Dwyer, thank you to you all.

Glenn:  Thank you.

Brian:  Thank you.

Dr. Drew:  Thank you everyone, have a nice day.

Bron:  Thank you.

Wayne:  If you’ve been listening to us on social media, please remember that those buttons down the bottom the ones with the heart symbol, and little tick, those likes and subscribe buttons are very important to us of course. It’s like doing a play, it’s the applause that comes at the end of the show and as you just heard, we all appreciate that. This is Booms Day Prepping, my name is Wayne Bucklar.

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