Episode 31 – What’s On Baby Boomers’ Bucket List?

Episode 31 is all about the bucket lists of Baby Boomers – activities they have never done before and things have always wanted to do. Do they want to travel? Learn a new language? Listen to the entire episode to find out.


Wayne Bucklar:  You’re listening to Booms Day Prepping, the Baby Boomer podcast. Every week, we get together with a group of Baby Boomers, our regular panel and we talk about things of interest to Baby Boomers. And today, we’re joined by Amanda Lambros, Brian Hinselwood, Bron Williams and Glenn Capelli, our regular panelists. My name is Wayne Bucklar and my co-host as always is Dr. Drew Dwyer. We’re scattered around the world this week but courtesy of technology, we’re able to bring you yet another episode of Booms Day Prepping. And this week, we’d like to talk about the Bucket List. We’d like to have a think and a talk about what it is that a bucket list means to us and why or why not. So to kick us off, Dr. Drew Dwyer, welcome to the show.

Dr. Drew Dwyer:  Well hello everybody. Yes, I’m all the way over in Ko Samui in Thailand and I’m probably needing a little bit of my bucket list or preparing for my bucket list. But it’s a great topic subject for Boomers and it’s a topic of conversation I have with many Baby Boomer clients that I deal with, particularly in the place where they get frustrated and a little bit angst with their lives as they transition into the final stage, or into their retirement or post retirement era where they may in counseling sessions, be presenting a lot of negativity, a lot of “If not, why not?” questions. More so, when I talk to Boomers though, never a regret for them around the things that they did do. I always have conversations more about the regret of the things they didn’t do. So I chose this subject today called the “Bucket List” and I put it in brackets after it, “If not, why not?” the question I ask Boomers, “Have you got a bucket list? And if not, why not? Why aren’t you living what you think you need to be living or giving yourself what you want? Now you’ve reached a stage in your life of where you want to be or should be and if you haven’t done it, why haven’t you done it? What is on your bucket list and why is it there?” So here’s a question for listeners and I might put it out to the panel and we’ll go out to Bron first because she’s so beautiful this morning and I will ask Bron. Bron, do you have a bucket list? Have you ever thought about a bucket list and if not, why not?

Bron:  Yes, I do have a bucket list. I don’t have a lot on it at the moment because I have done quite a few things. But on my bucket list still to do is to travel to Scotland. I have some Scottish heritage and so that is still a place that I want to travel. I also want to learn to tap dance and play the piano. So they are three things that are on my bucket list and I tried to teach myself to play the piano a few years ago. I think, I probably just need to have somebody give me some lessons. I will never be a concert pianist, I can play the guitar, I know I’ve got music ability, I’ve got nice large hands with a good reach so ideal piano players hands but as I was growing up, those sorts of lessons just weren’t available to us and I’ve always envied those who can play the piano.

Dr. Drew:  I imagine Bron being an ex-Salvo, you’re a great tambourine swinger.

Bron:  I joined the Salvos when I was 52. So I came late to the tambourine swinging thing but we did have fun, the little church that I used to look after, there was a lady there who is very good and we did have a little timbrel group and we would do timbrels in the nursing homes. So yes, you can do timbrels to all sorts of things.

Dr. Drew:  There you go. Glenn?

Glenn Capelli:  It’s interesting for me because I mean Travis Bella, a good mate of mine and a good mate of many in this room, he’s got his bucket list company that’s gone international now and training people in fuels of having a bucket list and what have you. And good honor man, I think it’s a great concept and I thought it was a great movie, “The Bucket List” movie. But for me, I’m not quite sure if I do like the phrase bucket list but I do like ongoing learning. So I do like things where, better how else, put some stuff that I can do a little bit more of, want some stuff that I can literally throw into my brew that I haven’t done before. And it’s always challenging for a brain to tackle something that they haven’t done before. So if you’ve never played a musical instrument to tackle and play a musical instrument, start with the ukulele or the mouth organ. So for me, I guess is, I like the idea of lists and I teach people not just to have a to-do list but to have a “Have Done List.” So along with the bucket list, I’d like people to have done an acknowledgment list and at the end of every day, they just acknowledge all the good things of that day and to acknowledge all the good stuff that they’ve got happening in their life and all the good things that have happened with them and for them and some good things that they could continue to do. One bucket list thing that I’ll talk about later is I do enjoy having the opportunity to share learning, and share conferences and share my work with other people and that is other presenters. And there was a list of folk that I would have loved to have shared with or been onstage with and many who I have that I’d like to acknowledge. So I guess in that aspect, I do like a bucket list but have an acknowledgement list, and have a have done list, and a tick list and just keep on learning.

Dr. Drew:  I suppose Glenn for somebody who has all those Russians around you, the more ofs, and the less ofs, and they have ofs, your bucket list would probably be already finished.

Glenn:  There’s always the “toss ins” and the “instead ofs.” So I used to run marathons instead of that with no knees, now I go for long walks. And toss into the brew, want some new stuff. It’s always good to just challenge yourself with something you’ve never tackled before and maybe there’s some crayons and talents inside that haven’t been used that when you started using, you go, “Oh jeez, this is fun, this is nifty.”

Dr. Drew:  Brian?

Brian Hinselwood:  Look, I’m glad I didn’t go far out. I’ve been listening to the others and thinking, “My goodness, I think I’m actually living my bucket list.” When I was a young person, I wanted to travel and I’ve traveled extensively. I’ve spent on and off seven years hitchhiking around Europe and Asia. I wanted to be in a movie, I’ve been in movies. I wanted to be on television, I’ve been on television. I wanted to have a crowd stand up and applaud me at the end of the play and I’ve done that. So I don’t travel as much as I’d like to, having said that I’ve just come back from a couple of weeks in Vietnam and Cambodia so I shouldn’t be bringing it in really. But I’d like to travel a lot more and one of the reasons that I don’t is my wife is still working. So I have to be a good husband and wait for her to get holidays or time off for whatever reason. So I’m sort of living my bucket list and I don’t have something that I desperately now want to do. Musical instruments is one thing I always, for many, many, many years have been heavily involved in folk music festivals. And every time I go to one, I see people from the age of 8 to 80 playing multiple instruments and I think, “It can’t be that hard.” So I try and it is that hard, it’s almost impossible. So I kind of keep trying and I keep thinking, “No, it’s too hard.” So there, I’m living my bucket list really.

Dr. Drew:  Wayne?

Wayne:  Drew, I’m a little bit on Brian’s side. My life has been pretty much a consistent, happy accident and so serendipity looks after me. When there are strange ideas that I have that I’d like to do this, or like to do that, it kind of just falls into place that the opportunity comes along and I take it, and I do those things. I don’t have a list as such of things that I want to do because as soon as I think of putting them on the list, I go and do it. And just last night, I was thinking, “Oh, I’d like to try that new ink gin” and I did. Someone turned up from Australia with a bottle in their luggage and I had to try it with them and if the makers of ink gin are listening, “I am happy for sponsorship, please send me a case, it’s very nice.” My life has been like that. I just get the urge and whether it’s a new hobby or a new work thing and all of a sudden, I find myself engrossed in it and I do it. So I can’t say that I’m a big supporter of bucket list but I do take Glenn’s point about to-do lists and I often, because I work in digital media, I often urge people to make digital diaries and to record stuff and it’s so easy now for people to sit in front of a video camera and to set out the stories of their life. And eventually, we’re not going to be able to tell those stories but we’re going to have children, and grandchildren and great-grandchildren who would really like to hear some of those stories and it’s so easy to do. So I do urge people to do a to-do list in some detail rather than in my case, I don’t build bucket lists.

Dr. Drew:  Let’s ask for her opinion, that’s Amanda.

Amanda Lambros:  So I love the bucket list, like I absolutely love the bucket list. But I have to say the history of the bucket list is that people would start doing it once they got a terminal illness. So as a gerontologist, you’d be interested in that because people would wait until they got a terminal illness and then they’d go, “Oh well there’s all these things I want to do before I die in three months. Let’s try to action it.” And usually by then, it’s a little too late. So that’s why I really like Glenn’s idea of like a “to-do list” because from the age of 20, you can start doing a to-do list and then as you get opportunities or as things kind of creep up, you can tick them off which is really great. The other thing that I want to be kind of mindful of is that sometimes, just my caveat is be careful because sometimes, people leave things on their bucket list a little too late to the point that their body or their mind is not in the right phase to be doing those bucket list things. So let’s say diving on the Great Barrier Reef is one of them. There’s a certain age you shouldn’t be doing that anymore and my example is that two years ago, there were ten deaths on the Great Barrier Reef and it was double the average and they think that it was because of people ticking off their bucket list. So when you choose to do certain things like jump out of an airplane to go skydiving for the first time at 80, be careful because maybe your heart is not up to it.

Dr. Drew:  And see, I would rebuke that because the cognitive behavioral therapy when you sit around the bucket list and you’re right Amanda, bucket list is in a therapeutical space is, it is a therapy process we go through for people with terminal illness or people diagnosed. If they heed the research behind it is quite extensive where we sit in that self-actualization space of Maslow’s theory of wanting more, doing more and becoming more. And so for listeners, I’d take heed of Amanda’s warning and then also the same point, understand that I don’t believe there’s an age barrier that’s appropriate to it. Many people now start their bucket list younger which I think is exciting and good on them. Millennials of course are doing their bucket list by the time they’re 19 and working part time, having cafe lattes on the beach and mashed avocado for breakfast.

Bron:  I guess that avocado would have to come into it.

Dr. Drew:  Yes, because it annoys me because where I live in Noosa, I see a lot of it. I just think, “Why wasn’t I doing that at 19 and 20?”

Bron:  That’s all it is.

Dr. Drew:  Yes, that’s alright. I’ll own that Bron. But as a cognitive behavioral therapy, it is often something we bring up when we look at grief counseling and the bucket list of course plays a role in that cognitive therapy process as Amanda said. In gerontology, I use it as a key point of reference because it is a to-do list but it is also an actualization point of reference to say, “Yes, the bucket is kicking the bucket.” It is about death and dying and it is a great platform, or a bridge, or conduit to bring the conversation of death and dying to the table when I’m dealing with older people. Old people who are Baby Boomers in their 60s or 70s, who have got chronic and comorbidity, who are becoming more restricted and then more frustrated in their life for doing so. I often give them no boundary and let them have the options or always open but to discuss their choices with their medical practitioner and rarely have I ever had a medical practitioner say, “No.” I often have a practitioner who say, “Not recommended, not safe at their age or given their condition.” But it is the good therapy process for a person to give this conscious thought because that emotional intelligence. They may not do the activity but when they step through the thinking and the reflective practice to decide and understand why they’re making this decision or why they’re thinking about it, it has a great therapeutic aspect to the individual, if that makes sense.

Glenn:  Makes a lot of sense to me in terms of, as much as I love the Bellamy Brothers and Piaf’s “No regrets, ” I often say that one of the regrets I have in life is when my father-in-law, Lindy’s wonderful dad, Max Hawkins was dying and he wanted to go back to the beach. The water and swimming, he was a famous long-distance swimmer, he was magnificent. He want to go back to the beach and the medical folk and others said, “No, it wouldn’t be good for Max. It could finish him off.” And we didn’t take him to the beach. Well, he finished off anyway. He did kick that bucket and he did die and maybe it saved him a week or two, but it was a horrible week or two anyway. So I think in that essence, the simple thing that he wanted to be back in an environment that was pretty special to him, in that case, I felt we should have honored that, sadly, we didn’t.

Dr. Drew:  Well there’s a beautiful story on the internet, I don’t know if you’ve seen it in the Facebook zone. But a group of paramedics or a pair of paramedics recently had to pick up and transfer somebody who was terminal and dying, taking into the hospital. On the way from their home to the hospital, the patient requested them to pull at the beach and to let them sit on the beach in their hospital bed. They’re all in there in their ambulance trolley and they were going to die and they weren’t well and the paramedics decided to pull over at the beach and just to stop and to put the patient out on the beach in the hospital trolley and they died and passed away there at the beach. And I think for me, that is a great example of a person making decision, knowing that the end was coming and they wanted to die by looking at the beach and that paramedics for taking that opportunity to step out of their commission to practice which is to resuscitate, decided to break with that space, that comfort space and to allow that person the dignity and the respect to kick the bucket the way they wanted to kick the bucket.

Brian:  Can I just ask something please? I think that’s a lovely story and good on them for doing it. But does that leave the paramedic open to some obscene law or “You should have saved him?”

Dr. Drew:  No, controversy was kicked in but at end of the day, I think it’s much better that we focus on the human factor of professional practice. We’re humans. And I mean as you practice in nursing, and in healthcare, and medicine, we reach many, many points of ethics and ethics and law are particularly very different things. So people have got to understand and I want listeners to know this, if you’re thinking of something and you think that may be illegal or not legal, or if you think there’s something on your bucket list that maybe unethical, that’s a matter of decision for you to take as an individual. Ethics and law are two very separate things but I think, given the choice, I always encourage my own patients, my clients to look at the bucket list, to bring it to the table because you are going to kick the bucket list. One thing is sure about all of us is one thing we will all have in common, is that we’re all going out the door. How you choose and what you choose to do in that journey, I believe is strongly up to the individual. I don’t meet many individuals that have chosen a bucket list that is dangerous, or that is bad or has bad ethics, but I do meet many, many Boomers who have not a bucket list or who begin to put a bucket list together and their family may look at that bucket list and being called, “That’s not smart,” or “That’s not very safe.” And that in itself can raise a lot of tension for individuals because the person himself, the client, the individual, then begins then reflect again that “I’m not doing what everybody else wants and that’s why I’m here, Doc. I’m here because I want my life, my way, my choice.” So I often tell them, “Then don’t share your bucket list unless you have to.”

Amanda:  Now, I kinda just want to get a little bit academic here because I’m so excited. There’s really great research on bucket list stuff and one of the studies that was done was done by Stanford Medical School and what they did was they looked at over 3,000 people who were not terminally ill patients but they just said, “If you could write a bucket list, what would you write?” And they then allowed people to write a bucket list and then they observed and they found that there was six key things. So regardless of what you’re going to put on your bucket list, chances are it’s going to fall into one of these six key things. The number one was a desire to travel. So 78% of all the participants had a desire to travel. Seventy eight percent of the participants also had a desire to accomplish a personal goal. There was a desire to achieve a specific life milestone that they haven’t yet achieved and that was 51% of the people. A desire to spend quality time with friends and family, so that was 16% and then a desire to achieve financial stability and a desire to do a daring activity was 16%. So when you kind of go down the list, if it falls into six categories and you can nicely kind of put it into one of those that over 3,000 people found that it was a desire to travel, or accomplish a personal goal and I think that’s really cool because that kind of shows where your values and motivations are. And if you can write that down with your values and motivations behind it, that’s kind of what drives that to do list or that button.

Dr. Drew:  And I think it’s important Amanda, you point out that the less percentage right there on the scale was doing something risky and as I said, not necessarily the many Boomers or many elderly that I sit with when they had this discussion, actually want to do something risky or dangerous. Some may, you’d probably find someone like Wayne might when he gets to that point because he’s already done everything and the chance of doing something risky, he might just say, “We’ll stuff it, I’m doing it.”

Bron:  Well, I’ll tick bungee jump off.

Amanda:  Well done.

Wayne:  And Drew, I’m an immense coward so I don’t do very many dangerous things. I did recently go to a water park and found out to my dismay that you have to be under 48 inches to ride.

Dr. Drew:  That’s something I want to see, is you coming down a water slide.

Wayne:  And I thought they’re talking about the height of the kids but they’re actually talking about my waistline I think.

Dr. Drew:  It was the girth. You’d be like one of those things out of the movies where the fat bloke gets stuck in the middle and all of the other kids come flowing down smashing out like a bullet to a tube.

Wayne:  I did have exactly that vision. So I sat in the shade and had a nice think about it instead.

Glenn:  Put the wisdom at work, well done Wayne. So I’ll pick up on this theme of travel on what Brian was talking about. Initially, when I went traveling, I had two key countries I wanted to visit and that was Israel and Ireland. It was the early 80s and I guess I went to troubled zones but I was trying to look at what those countries could teach us about spirituality and overcoming some of the biggest conflicts. But Brian, I put it to you that as I traveled, my list kept getting longer. You’d meet more people from different places and you’d want to go to see them and it’s different and that’s kind like life itself I think. The more you do, your list should keep getting longer. And also now, I’m revisiting and I know when I go back to places that were significant for me, they’ll never be the same but I’m going back with Lindy because there are a couple of key spots in my life that really helped me form who I am as a human being, I want her to experience and that’s a beautiful thing. So in some ways, it’s not my own bucket list, it’s somebody else’s list that you can add to and we’re heading back to the Middle East in a few weeks time and this is going to be really significant for me, for Lindy to experience a place that helped me grow as a human being.

Brian:  I have a lovely thing a couple of years ago. Meg and I went back to the UK and I said, “Come on, I’ll take you to where I grew up. I’ll show you the house that I grew up in and the various places.” I grew up just outside Sunlight Village which is where Sunlight Soap Lever brothers started and Lever brothers actually built this home village for the workers. And it’s still pretty much exactly the same when it was built in the early 1900s. And I said, “This is the little church that I used to be in the choir. Let’s go in and have a little look.” So we went to visit the church and they were getting ready for an Easter parade obviously, it was Easter weekend. They were getting ready for an easy parade and I walked down and I saw this woman in these robes and I thought she must be somebody important. I said, “Look, do you mind if we just have a look around? I used to sing in the choir here as a boy.” She said, “We’re busy. Would you mind getting out?” I said, “Oh okay, that’s pretty interesting.” So we left. So that was one of my highlights of the thing being thrown out of a church. I’ve never had that before. I have been thrown out in a lot of places.

Dr. Drew:  Let me ask, is there anything that the panel thinks people shouldn’t put on a bucket list? Specifically or things that we shouldn’t consider when we look at a bucket list?

Glenn:  I think quick ticking off a bucket list just teaches you, “I can’t get no satisfaction.” That constantly ticking things off quickly may not give us enough time to rest in that spot and reflect upon what we’ve done. So I would say, always have some reflection time around anything because sometimes, what’s on your bucket list is not actually where your learning is. What’s on your bucket list is just to help you get off your bum and do something and on that journey, other stuff, sideways stuff opens up that is just magnificent. But if we’re so driven just towards the target of ticking off the bucket list, we miss the sideways learning.

Dr. Drew:  Yes, I can agree with that.

Bron:  I was thinking about that word “therapeutic” that you used Drew, particularly with terminal patients and that the bucket list is a therapeutic thing to do. And I was going to suggest that I think that sense of being therapeutic is as valuable when you’re not terminally ill, like we are all terminal in that death will come to us all. But for those of us who are still in good health, there is a therapeutic quality which taps into what Glenn’s just been saying of having goals whether they’re physical things to do, I loved the fact that when Amanda was talking about the six categories that building financial wealth was actually right quite towards the bottom. It was much more sort of ephemeral, altruistic, outward centered things that were of value to people and that’s the therapy I think, that as human beings we need the most, is not only the ability to look after ourselves but ability to share ourselves with other people. And I think the whole process of having a bucket list, I would go to Scotland not just to travel because there is a family heritage there. I have no idea where my family came but I have this connection to Scotland that I cannot explain. I want to go there, I want to feel it under my feet. So it’s not just about saying, “Tick! Yes, I’ve been to Scotland and I took a photo of the Loch Ness Monster.” It’s about actually being there where people from my past have walked and lived.

Wayne:  Now, one of the things that I’ve always grown up believing is that when people are on their deathbed, they never say, “I want more money.” They say, “I wish I’d had more sex.” And I’m surprised that it, so as to speak, it hasn’t come up in this conversation yet.

Dr. Drew:  Well I was about to raise it in actual fact.

Bron:  Obviously it has to come into it somewhere.

Dr. Drew:  We do need a lube sponsor.

Bron:  I could suggest somebody for us.

Dr. Drew:  I was going to say to Amanda, I recently had a client, an old family friend where they came to me and said, “Can you ever talk to Mum? She’d gone crazy.” And so I had a bit of a chat with the old mum and on her bucket list, believe it or not, was that she wanted to feel a young man’s body again and it was a shock to this family. They were absolutely beside themselves, they couldn’t understand that mum is on her bucket list. She made it very prevalent to her daughters that this is what she want to do and they were so shocked when they thought it was so bad, and evil and horrible. And when I had a discussion with them, Amanda, she was very convinced, she said to me she was no wallflower when she was young girl and she didn’t believe her dancing shoes had been put in a cupboard and she wanted to dance the dance and she wanted to feel a young man. And constantly at the moment in her life, seeing all the young buff men with no shirts everywhere she’s said she never got to experience when she was young and she’s committed, she wants them getting to bed with a young man. What do you think of that?

Amanda:  Hey you know, whatever floats your boat as long as you’re doing something that’s consensual and that you’re both excited about and if there’s any lube problems, make sure you use some lube, there’s plenty of great ones out there. But I think if that’s what you want to do and you have two consenting adults who actually want to do that, more power to you.

Bron:  I was talking about this with a friend of mine a few days ago. I wasn’t doing intrapersonal communication. I was talking to another human being who happened to be male. However, I had read an article about exactly what you’re talking about of a man who was an escort for older women and that was his clientele because older women who just missed, it didn’t need to be sex but they just missed the skin on skin. It was that they had a skin ache for that skin on skin touch and so this is what this young man was doing.

Dr. Drew:  Well that’s exactly how this lady put it to me Bron. As she pointed it out to me, “They’re not understanding.” She says, “I need to get skin on skin. I need the touch and feel of another young man.”

Glenn:  This is sort of a mental level. I think we need to clarify we’re probably not suggesting that you should make a bucket list of the people that you specifically or was that what you’re saying Wayne?

Wayne:  I’ve got one of those, it’s about the size of an Oxford Dictionary.

Dr. Drew:  I’m sure Brad Pitt would be on everyone’s list?

Bron:  No.

Amanda: No.

Dr. Drew:  No? Okay.

Wayne:  Brad Pitt, zero. Bron, one.

Bron: Yes!

Glenn:  Not quite this list Brian, but I mentioned that these people that I’ve loved them had the opportunity to present with on stage but as an actor, are there people that you really wanted to work with that you’ve been got to work with that’s been a stunning experience and are there a couple of people that you’re still open that you’ll get to share the stage or screen with them?

Brian:  Look, I guess if I was going to be really honest there’s a lot of people I’d like to share and a dinner table which to be honest. There’s some brilliant, brilliant people out there. I’ve never actually thought, “Oh, I’d love to work with so and so.” And I’ve worked with some big-name people, by and large they’re all really neither or just ordinary people who happened to be quite famous and quite wealthy. But no, I’ve never desperately wanted to work with a particular actor or actress. I’m just happy to be working basically and I think most actors until they get to a certain level I think most actors are the same. They’re just happy to be in the film, in the play, in whatever it is they’re in. So no, I can’t honestly say there’s somebody.

Glenn:  I guess it’s kind of in the professional speaking although there is that thing you get to go on to a conference card and they spoke who you may not have heard of that end up being just wonderful presenters, and educators and people that become friends in your life. But there was always a few people for me that when their name came up and I went, “Oh, how good is that?” I get to present at a conference with professor Howard Gardner or “The Multiple Intelligences Man” or anytime I get to present with Lisa Mcinnes-Smith. They’re just magic, magic moments and that idea of, sometimes, it’s the colleagues that we’ve had and that collegiate experience. Now I reckon for a mate of mine who’s done amateur theater I think that’s been one of the key reasons he’s got involved is you have a collegiate experience for an intense period of time, that’s quite magical.

Brian:  Yes. I mean, particularly when you’re doing the play as opposed to be in television or film, you definitely become like a second family because you’re working depending on the length of the run of the play. And just during rehearsals, you’re working pretty much 24/7 for 6 or 8 weeks just in rehearsal and then you go on and do the play which might run for 8 weeks, it might even run for longer.

Dr. Drew:  Well you’re talking primarily here about the right side of the brain which funnily enough when you look at the research in bucket listing, it’s the part of the brain that we don’t often get to use as much as we want to or should. And so when the bucket list is looked at and focused on, people have more tendency to swing towards these things like music, theater and the stuff that they haven’t done enough of or experienced enough of in their lives.

Wayne:  Brian, I wonder if I could, speaking of working with famous people, I wonder if I could bring to mind for you a certain Scotch commercial?

Brian:  Yes, you could. For those who don’t realize, I did a series of advert for Scotch canticle Famous Grouse Scotch whiskey and the whole premise of the television act was somebody really famous was in a bar and I was in the bar and somehow we do bump each other and the famous person would turn around to me and at that time nobody knew me, and would say, “Oh, aren’t you the famous?” and we drink and he drinks in these scenes. And the downside would be was that they were very, very popular. And I worked with three lovey famous people but the downside was that when I signed up for it, they said it’s going to be a series of ten adverts and it will make you famous. So I signed up for X number of dollars per ad which was terrific. I was very happy with the money I got. But it was so popular, they called it after three ads and I thought, “I should’ve just go for the whole contract.” I could actually just said, “I’ll do the ten for, or one for,” instead of which I got kind of three parts of ten. But it was good, it was a lot of fun and I mentioned this chap because everybody certainly in Australia would know John Gordon our ex-prime minister and he was then the ex-prime minister as well. But being an ex-prime minister of course, you have everything given to him including a 24 hour driver, and others. And we met at a restaurant in Crows Nest in Sydney and it was very early in the morning, I think about 5 o’clock and the restaurant provided breakfast for us and John Gordon being John Gordon which is very, very unusual at any circumstances, insisted on drinking the product. Normally you’ll drink cold tea or something. And I thought, “Well, I can pretend. May I have some scotch please?” So at 7 o’clock in the morning we’re drinking scotch and I’m convinced that he kept making mistakes. We eventually left and he had his limousine and the driver outside and he said, “Where are you living?” And I said that I’m living in Paddington and so I’m staying at Vaucluse. He said, “Why don’t we give you a lift home?” I followed and so I’m in the back of this limousine with John Gorton in which there is a bar. So we get to the street I’m living in which was a fairly major street in Paddington and it was normally fairly full of people. I thought “This would be great. I’ll get out of here with John Gordon, with government car, and so we got out and John and I have got this one staged and we’re all over each other, almost not a soul in the street. We could have fired a shotgun down the street and not hit anybody. I was mortified and drunk.

Dr. Drew:  I bet all the gossipers were looking out the window.

Brian:  Well, they would have been. If you were and if you’re listening, it was me.

Glenn:  It’s like Dyslexic flip and right side of the brain becomes the right side of the “Brian” and and that’s a wonderful story.

Brian:  Had blocks of little things like that in theater or film and what not.

Dr. Drew:  And so I got to ask after today’s discussion then reflective thought, is anybody jotted down something perhaps they may want to consider for their bucket list now?

Wayne:  Having a scotch with John Gordon perhaps.

Brian:  Yes, I have done that. That was at my bucket list before.

Bron:  I am a bit like Wayne at times about taking opportunities when they arise and I will be part of Spencer Tunick’s “Return of the Nude” on Monday.

Amanda:  Awesome.

Dr. Drew:  It’s a bit racy.

Bron:  I know but there’ll be lots of other racy people there with me. It was not on my bucket list. But a friend, again, told me about it, just popped the name in like quite late and thought, “No. Probably won’t get it.” And they said, “Yes, we’d love you.” With many 62-year-old women who are prepared to be nude. That’s me.

Wayne:  Just Bron, for our listeners, tell them about it.

Bron:  Spencer Tunick is a very famous photographer. He specializes in photographing mass nudes. That doesn’t mean you have to be a huge mass to be nude. So this is in Melbourne in July, and we’re going to be nude so that’s gonna be interesting. It’s going to be very cold but I have no idea how many of us but I was anticipating there’s going to be a hundreds of people.

Dr. Drew:  I can imagine there are a lot of blokes who are going to line up for it.

Bron:  Well the person, when I applied, he told he didn’t get a spot so I actually think there’s lots of blokes who have applied.

Wayne:  Well in Melbourne, at that time of year, there’ll be no big problems to worry about.

Dr Drew: Yes, that’s right.

Bron:  So I’m looking forward to that. It wasn’t on my bucket list and I’m really glad that I’m going to be able to maybe, like Glenn said, I’ll be able to say, “I’ve done this.”

Dr. Drew:  Make sure you’re at the front Bron.

Bron:  And I will just be a good girl and I would go where they tell me to go.

Brian:  This is one of those lists that you need to make so you can cross it off. You need to write, “Oh, I want to be on a nude photoshoot.”

Dr. Drew:  And Bron, tell me as a participant, do they actually give you a free copy of the photograph themselves? I mean that’d be something to hang on the wall for sure.

Bron:   I don’t know. We are given a Spencer Tunick poncho and the only instructions we’ve been given is no jewelry whatsoever and obviously, wear your clothes there and to leave this poncho on until told to remove and so I’m assuming it’ll may well be marked and I can actually say, “I’ve got this because I did this.” So we’ll see.

Dr. Drew:  Amanda, anything on your bucket list now?

Amanda:  Not that previously wasn’t already there but I’d really, really like to go to Nepal and probably at some point go to base camp. That is kind of one of the things I’d like to do. And I have lots of friends in Nepal, so I would actually like to just go and hang out with my friends in Nepal and maybe hit base camp.

Brian:  I have a dubious distinction of being in Nepal when the first commercial aircraft came in with tourist bomb and it went “Yeah, that’s the end of Nepal.” I’ve been there, done that.

Dr. Drew:  Glenn?

Glenn:  I think Bron has inspired me. The Boomers Nude Podcast. This is in the bucket list I have now.

Dr. Drew:  Well I did an international nude gardening day on May the 6th and Facebook wouldn’t allow my photo to be published.

Glenn:  And we’re about to travel to Istanbul or Constantinople whichever way I want to sing it and that’s a place that I’m really looking forward to that.

Dr. Drew:  You’ll enjoy that, it’s a beautiful city Glenn. Istanbul is an amazing place. The population of Australia in one city.

Brian:  Glenn, while you’re there, you should try and cross the border and go to the Southern part of Istanbul. It’s exquisite.

Dr. Drew:  Well I’m gonna upset a few and I’m going to place on my bucket list that I’ve only done that’s just recently and it’s not fantasy I can assure you. But I want to now meet Donald Trump and only because I want to see if he’s as big a wanker that everyone thinks he is because you see in that space and you go, “I wonder what he’s like in person?” I really love to meet him in person to feel his energy and to understand his vibration and to really understand for me, as a person who works with energy to go, “I wonder if he really has that feel of “yuck, yuck, yuck” or have people misinterpreted him because he doesn’t come through the way that he’s meant? So the moment on my bucket list was I’d like to meet the Trumpster, I’d like to stand in his presence and have a conversation or meal just to see if he’s as big as a wanker that everybody thinks he is.

Brian:  Is he actually capable of having a conversation?

Dr. Drew:  For me, that’ll be interesting. My bucket list, I’m a bit like Glenn and a few of you. I don’t have a bucket list, I seem to, like Wayne, when I have a thought and I want to do, I just do so it just gets marked off the list. But I do have certain things I want to do. One of them is Machu Picchu, I’ve not been there yet and I really, really have a heavy feeling to want to go there and sit in the middle of it and feel it. So they say it’s an extremely spiritual vibrating, energizing space. So I’d like to do Machu Picchu.

Wayne:  And I just like to say inspired by Glenn and for our listeners, we do this, this as a video conference, I am now doing the nude Baby Boomers podcast for you.

Dr. Drew:  Please don’t roll down at that camera. Oh my goodness. Look at what you started.

Brian:  The wonders of technology.

Glenn:  That was just such an easy thing to put out there and really, I mean did not do it to encourage anyone whatsoever. I’ve got a song for this one, “It’s now or never.” Well done, Wayne.

Wayne:  Well when the opportunity comes take it, I say. And on my bucket list now, I’m going to Melbourne in July. There’s someone I want to look up while I’m down there.

Dr. Drew:  Oh my goodness me. No, don’t make me look.

Wayne:  Ladies and gentlemen, I think we might have come close to the end of our sensible podcast. Do we have last thoughts or is our bucket list our last thought for this week?

Glenn:  For me, it’s probably it’s now or never and also just picking up on what Drew said about meeting Trump and figuring out his vibration. My figuring is we should end with I don’t think it’s going to be a good vibration, so we’ll end with a beacon.

Dr. Drew:  Final comments, Brian?

Brian:  Look, I kind of agree with the general consensus here. I think we should just live our bucket list. I’m not sure as Amanda pointed out before, I’m not sure but say, “Well, I’m 93 and I’d like to jump out of a plane” is necessarily a good thing. I know people did it and they enjoyed it. But I think just living what you want to do and while I do acknowledge the fact that most of the things we’d like to do cost money, not everybody has money – just live it to the best you can. Just do what you want to do. And particularly when you get to 50, 60, 70, 80, whatever, it doesn’t matter if you upset somebody, just do it, just do what you want to do.

Dr. Drew:  Glenn?

Glenn:  Do what you want to do, be what you want to be and that’s for sure. And I think anything that can inspire people to keep on learning throughout their life even if there’s only a small time left in their life then I think that’s good and may your lists never be listless at the end of every day. Tick off your acknowledgement list of all the good stuff in your life.

Dr. Drew:  Amanda?

Amanda:  I absolutely love what Glenn just said and I would say make sure that your list never decreases to being “less list” so that way, you always have something to look forward to.

Dr. Drew:  Bron?

Bron:  I think it’s a quick look back to the word “therapeutic.” I think a bucket list is just therapeutic for us. It keeps you whole and just acknowledging that we’re human beings and that our life is actually some title often of our experiences. So just go for it.

Dr. Drew:  For me, I think goals are dreams that are unplanned. So start planning and I reckon the journey for those Baby Boomers, I think the experience and the fun is in the planning and the journey you’ll take to reach that goal of whatever it is you want to kick off your bucket, pick three things, give them a go, make no rules and enjoy that journey.

Wayne:  And with that, we come to the end of another episode of Booms Day Prepping, the Baby Boomer podcast where Drew and myself joined by our panelists express a view. And today, we’ve been expressing many views and we’re hoping we don’t get into too much trouble from the manufacturers of certain alcoholic scotches or of certain lubes or indeed, the families of ex-Prime Ministers. It’s been a great show and it’s been lovely having you all with us. If you’ve enjoyed the show this week, then we have something new. We’ve lashed out and put ourselves on Patreon, patreon.com/boomsday and Patreon is a sign for patronage and I know the idea of being a patron is an old idea. But we thought some of you might like to show us that you like what we do and you can do that by becoming a patron for as little as a dollar a month and that has several benefits for us in the show. Yes, we love you for the money but more importantly, we love you for being there because that allows us to talk to sponsors and to demonstrate our audience in very practical terms. If you’re listening to us on social media, at least click one of the buttons at the bottom the box, click the like, the smile, the share, the subscribe, even click the frowny face. We’d like to know that you’re there whether you love us or hate us. If you have questions for any of the panelists, by all means pop them into social media and we’ll refer them to the panelists, they’ll be able to get back to you. To our panel – Amanda Lambros, Brian Hinselwood, Glenn Capelli and Bron Williams, thank you all for your time again and your thoughts and for sharing your bucket list with us.

Dr. Drew:  Happy ageing everyone.

Wayne:  And to my colleague Dr. Drew Dwyer, thanks for being our host again Drew, it’s always a pleasure to have you lead us through these things. This is Booms Day Prepping, my name is Wayne Bucklar.

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