Episode 8: Renewal and Letting Go – What it is and How it’s Different for the Baby Boomers

Baby Boomers have reached an unfamiliar space in their lives, where they feel the need to experiment with themselves – a time to relearn things, renew their beliefs, and reconfigure their lives. Episode 8 talks about how all the changes in society affects the Baby Boomers and what does “letting go” really means to them.


Wayne Bucklar:  You’re listening to Booms Day Prepping, a regular look at what’s happening for baby Boomers around the world and some advice from baby Boomers, for baby Boomers about how to get organized for this next stage. My name is Wayne Bucklar and I’m joined today by my co-host, Drew Dwyer and also most of our regular panel of with us today, we have with us Bron Williams, Amanda Lambros and Gwen Capelli. Good morning to you all.

Glenn Capelli:  Good day.

Amanda Lambros:  Good morning.

Bron Williams:  Good morning.

Dr. Drew Dwyer:  Good morning everyone.

Wayne:  Now, today we’d like to acknowledge the fact that it’s the beginning of a new year and it’s that time when resolutions come along and people’s minds turn to reflecting. And I’d like Drew to lead us off on the thought of renewal and letting go and and what it is and how it’s different for the baby Boomers? Drew, what are your thoughts?

Dr. Drew:  Okay, well I want to open up the platform and then have a look at first a bit of reminding that baby Boomers traditionally and specifically are the people born between 1946 to 64. It’s more or less that that scenario as a cohort of people who are looked at by epidemiologists, and strategists, and futurists and so forth, they are the Boomer what there is known as the Boomer Generation. So post world wars, the demobilization of troops from the world war scene and people around the world being asked to repopulate the world and bring a demand for a regeneration to the next generations which identified we became the baby Boomers. In that process, now baby Boomers are aged between 52 and 72 more or less and they’ve reached their peak as a booming generation in the mid 1950s when predominantly a lot of them were became born on to the planet. And in some countries, I identify them and pronounce them differently but all in all, they are a baby Boomer generation and by natural cohort, it means they’re imported kids of the Great and Silent Generations, the people where the designers, builders and survivors of the great world wars. So in relation to them now, some time later being the people that created the nuance of New Age, the breaking of molds from their older parents and the past generations, the designers of big brand labels, the creators of further exploration in particularly space exploration which the Boomer cohort is famous for. Looking at financial production, education changes, picky industry developers and big revolutionary changes in their younger 20s, 30s and into their 40s now into this 50s, 60s and 70s, I often see them in a consulting space more wrapped around transition, decision-making and turbulence within their life because they’ve reached a point as an older person that changes occurring, preparing for retirement which is a word Boomers don’t like to use, it coincidentally and looking at this late stage or third stage of their life, what are they going to do? Where’s their life sitting? Also reflection on their past, where have they been? What made them who they are? And what change is all what’s coming forward to where they’re going to be? So for many Boomers and I will say particularly for men, it’s a catch-22 of being stuck in who I was and where I’m going? What will I become? Have I achieved? And so I want the topic today be about the subject of renewal and the focus on renewing energies, renewing positions, refocusing and specifically perhaps the fact that Boomers need to adjust and get some emotional intelligence as we do bring into a lot of our subjects, the emotional intelligence of finding themselves now, realizing who they were in the past created and who they are today. But it’s a new starting point to finish or put finesse on who they will be created or become in the future. For me, it’s a positive messages that you’re never too old, no one’s walked in your shoes but you. And it’s a time for the Boomers now as I say as a gerontologist for the Boomers to create and to lead the younger generations behind us into a new age because we’re young enough or Boomers are young enough to do it again, they’re old enough to know better and perhaps, a bit of focus on where they want to see themselves in the next few decades rather than probably being discontent or upset about what they’ve done, where they’ve been and what has it brought them now. So I’m gonna leave that opening there as I said for me, it’s a positive thought for Boomers to encapsulate this space, to communicate in this space and to openly have these discussions around their own generational cohort friends, and families or people at their own age or groups they belong to to openly have these discussions, to experiment and find out who am I now as an older person and what do I still have yet to achieve in my life? So I’m gonna ask Bron for her comment on that.

Bron:  That’s great Drew. I just love the way that you sum everything up and draw it all together and I think that has laid a really great foundation for the panel to comment. For me personally, the the journey of renewal is very much a real one as I’m taking the opportunity at this point in my life to really step into a business of my own which draws on the 60 years that I’ve lived. And so, I feel as though I’m in a place that I have a lot to give because I have gained a lot and I’ve learned a lot. And my role as a coach is to help other people discover that for themselves that they actually have the keys to moving forward within themselves and I’m just going to help them to find them.

Dr. Drew:  I do say though I want to add to that Bron, in the last time we had a chat, you’re in the panel you discussed that also you have a nuance of relationship. So not only a new career change and a new lifestyle in business, you’re also into the new sexual expression of yourself and who you are as a human and a person.

Bron:  Yes and that’s great because I’m in a new relationship, it’s only year around two years old. And certainly, new relationships at this point in your life are different to the ones that we stepped into when we were in our 20 years because we have different, a lot of our needs are the same but we look at them differently, we tend to be more independent, so there’s not this need to be together 24/7.

Dr. Drew:  But at 60 Bron, do you feel you’re taking on too much I mean new career, new inspirations and then new relationship? Does it all just power down on you at some point and you go, ‘I’m over it. Stop’.

Bron:  No. Actually, I personally find it energizing because I’m feeling as though my life is actually starting to come together in a way that I’ve always hoped that it would. So I have been able to leave behind in the last 10 years at a relationship that was difficult and taken me 10 years to find the relationship that I have now.

Dr. Drew:  How was that sabbatical?

Bron:  Good, good, because in that sabbatical, I found myself and it’s only when you find yourself discover who you are, spend a lot of time working through, the stuff out of my marriage and divorce. But in the process, understood myself much more deeply because I liked myself and I was happy to be on my own then of course, the relationship just comes along doesn’t it? Because you’re not desperate, you’re not looking, you’re just happy with life and whether you say it’s God or the universe, karma, fate, the person that is right for you comes along. But yet, it brings challenges, I’m doing relationship in a different way than I did before, I have less expectations, actually I have almost try to live have no expectations, try to take my partner just as he is and I learn things about myself in that. And given that probably 50% of relationships fail at some point means there’s probably 50% of baby Boomers who are in the same position I mean.

Dr. Drew:  Is it a cohabitated relationship I know if I’m being personal, you can tell me to shut up, but it is an interest to me because these are the discussions I have with clients I mean some, ‘I have a relationship and now I want him or her to stay away’ in their own space, in their own home and we only catch up on these days because I cannot possibly handle anyone in my space full-time and that’s what they’re searching for. Or I mean particularly strangely enough, a lot of men Boomers who can’t live without a woman and yet, cannot maintain a proper relationship.

Bron:  Yes, interesting is that we sort of see ourselves as overlapping singles, I don’t know whether that makes sense. We certainly cohabit but we spend time apart like I’m in the middle of about a seven week block that I’m going to be spending with my mum who turns 93 in a couple of weeks and she’s been into hospital with pneumonia and pinched nerve and so I’ve been doing that. And so, the relationship with Bruce continues but at a distance, ‘Am I looking forward to getting back home?’ Absolutely. But there’s this freedom for us to be a part because we’ve been happy enough to be on our own. Each of a as is individuals, we know we will survive and survive okay, but gosh we love being together as well.

Dr. Drew:  I firmly believe in and reading some of the research of some other people who do the work that I do that Boomers have reached a point specifically for many of them people who sit in this age bracket that if they have reached a space in time where they need to combine themselves with other people. More so then, perhaps the last decade or two in their life of finding themselves or experimenting now or wanting to break away from being with others. The misconception is it’s time to be alone and have mine supposed to be me but an actual fact this will cause disruption to the longevity of their transition as they get older. So Boomers need to roughly analyze what they’re doing and have a look at who they want to spend quality and productive time with and how much of a quality and productive time is spent on their own which is an interesting thing for people in this age bracket to start to look at now that they’re finding space in retirement, job change and lifestyle.

Glenn:  Okay. Really interesting now, Einstein comes to mind when we’re talking about thinking and he said thinking for me is ‘combinatory play’ and maybe, renewal is recombinator play’. So what are we recombining in our life, reconfiguring in our life? Drew, a mate of mine challenged me said, ‘My brain would love cryptic crosswords’ and it took me a number of years to actually embrace the cryptic crossword, but the anagram plays its part in critics, renewal, if you shift those words around and start playing them as combinatory play inside your head, renewal can form ‘we learn’. So we learn makes up renewal, renewal makes that we learn and there’s a lifetime where we continue to relearn and continue to learn. For me, it’s about every stage in life, and every day in life and every way in life whether it’s my marriage, whether it’s my work and quickly like to throw into the brew of renewal and some Russian friends that I invented that have helped me and every time I present, every time I make a speech, my Russians are there for people to bring renewal to their business, or their school or to their learning. So very quickly, the Russians are ‘More Of’, the first Russian brother his name is More Of. Look at what you’ve already got good in your life so that you could do a little bit more ofs. So renew that thing and emphasize a little bit more, focus a little bit more. But we are very, very good at the more, more, more, the Bananarama part and life so the next two Russians are more difficult they believe are ‘Less of’ what do you need to have less of in renewing your life? Can we learn to live with less? Have we got cupboards full of stuff that we’re not even using and every got shirts, we should give away and therefore we bring in the third Russian, his name is ‘Rid Of’ and we don’t do rid of very well in our life. How do we get rid of partners? How do we get rid of people? How do we get rid of bad habits? So for many, many years I only had my three Russian brothers, ‘More Of’, ‘Less Of’ ‘Rid Of’, then I discovered they had a cousin his name was ‘Toss In’. So what new stuff you’re gonna toss into the brew? What’s new that you’ve never done before that you’re gonna toss in? And it took a little while and I was working with a group of people from former Russian countries and we focused on another Russian so the cousins got a girlfriend and the girlfriend’s name is ‘Instead Of’. But it has to be ‘instead of that’ because she is feminine and instead of, what are we going to do instead of? What are we going to replace, we can no longer run because my knees are … So instead of going for a run, I go for a walk. So the five Russians the ‘More Of, the Less Of, the Rid Of, the Toss In and the Instead Of’ and to me, it’s just a constant thing to do for renewal.

Dr. Drew:  That’s great. That’s good little bit of humor by the way but I love the way you use language Glenn. But there’s a good series is a great book out, there’s a series of writings that sit around this book and the books by a group of authors are Natalie Bovis, Catherine Bonvalet, I think they’re French-Canadian, Celine Clement and Jim Ogg. And they ride specifically around renewing the family, the history of families around baby Boomers and this is at renewal process. I mean baby Boomers are very, very renowned within the dichotomy of what they created as a cohort of generation of people. They transformed the family and when we look at what they did through this transforming of family – family value, family growth, family design, mothers, grandmothers, how they would cohort to the family people’s roles. Boomers played a very big role in changing a lot of this – boys schools, girls schools, private education and I’m dealing at the moment a lot with the changing conditions for us as a society now today sitting around transformation and change which is disrupting the Boomer cohort who are now sitting as the head and matriarchs of a lot of their families or about to become matriarchs of their families that they’ve created and getting very, very dispositioned by this nuance of new wave, a new age of being, the change of the nucleus family, the same-sex families, the divergent families, the broken families and what you were saying there Glenn is although it has comedy and rhetoric attached to it, is very, very specific to what a lot of my Boomers who sit in counseling are experiencing when it comes to their new or renewal wants of their family. And many of them are expressing they want to go back to play a role now, they have to time to strengthen or stabilize the family that they played a major role in creating. So Amanda, I’m gonna put this out to you as well but do you see this? Are you experiencing it because it’s a dual dichotomy for Boomers, they want it, they want to go back and stabilize what used to be their normal something are credit. But the new norm is pushing very hard the other way.

Amanda:  Absolutely. The new norm is something that we actually experienced a lot with regard to grief recovery. So when we’re looking at grief and loss, everyone has this normal that they’re very comfortable with, that’s a habit, it’s just their norm. And then there’s a bump in the road and the bump in the road happens and everyone wants to get back to their old way of being but because of the bump in the road, you can’t get back to that. Something has fundamentally changed, so you have to learn to live with your new norm and putting the practice and the effort into living with your new norm is extremely difficult for some people because they’re constantly like, ‘But I liked it like this’ but that’s not available to you anymore or ‘I wanted like this again’, that’s not gonna happen. So living in the new norm, it’s a great idea, it’s a difficult concept, it’s hard to implement because your habit is always to go back to the comfortable. So this is sitting in a space of uncomfortable and actually getting the skills and tools required to move forward is so important.

Dr. Drew:  And I push a big issue around technology here with my cohort of clients I sit with and spend time around particularly around technology of the new norm. The Boomer Generation were the creators of technology. If anyone’s not aware of that, they need to do a little bit of history. They created the Microsoft, the Apple, the Macintosh. Boomers actually created this nuance or this new technology, I mean you ask any Boomer, do they remember the time they got their first television or their first colored television? Then you ask a Boomer, ‘Do you remember the first computers?’ and so forth and so forth. We’re now in an age where this is moved and it’s such an extensive rate of knots that Boomers were the people and the generation that I did, it came up with the concept, developed it, made it happen. Hand-in-hand with this technology push then goes, the relationship that Boomers have with family and one of the biggest concept idea at the moment particularly around mothers or women, Boomer women is modern women or girls who are against the motherhood and the liberation of women and how far the liberation or the trajectory of women’s liberation has come through the time is quite at sort or off balance with how Boomers and Boomer women, the suffragette women originally created Feminism in its pure role. Renewal for a lot of people is to actually step through the reflection of where you been? What you did achieve? And how you use that skill now to adapt to the new norm? Amanda?

Amanda:  Well, I totally agree with what you’re saying. I think one of the things to understand is that people come in to see, people like you Drew or myself or even Bron, when people are coming in for coaching, they want to understand how to move forward. Now, I did look up the word ‘Renew’ because I thought I really like how words happen and stuff. And the definition that came up for me was just repetition of the past and I was like, ‘Oh, that doesn’t sit well with me’. For me, if you’re gonna renew, not too many people wake up in the morning and go, ‘I hope today is gonna be worse off than yesterday’. So really for me renewal is how can I make today better than yesterday? Or how can I make this year better than last year or this month better than last month? So it’s a renewal of like regenerating things. So I kind of want to shift that definition a bit.

Dr. Drew:  The sources always also gives it directly to innovation.

Amanda:  Well that work. I’m happier with that one, but I think it’s really important to say that there is support out there. Go and get support, talk it through. If things are challenging, that means there’s movement which is actually really, really good and positive.

Dr. Drew:  And that’s the thing I love about the modern way we live in the new age for older people. And I often remind my cohort or clients around this, they were busy setting up the education system, Boomers have created the new way of doing things now. Actually, 30 years ago, 20 years ago, when I started to create education systems, credentials, qualifications, professions and creating a different groups of people that support families, broken families, child abuse, domestic violence, this is all actually innovation and creation from the Boomer cohort of people. Now it’s just been developed and created bigger and better and more advanced. I’m finding that some baby Boomers are not what if to engage in it the way they probably would have when it was in their fresh young intimidating selves?

Glenn:  So it’s interesting for me I mean for years, we used to teach people a little chant that goes the ‘Brain loves a Challenge’. But in fact, I discovered after 3 years of teaching, the brain loves the challenge it was wrong. Some as magic as the brain is, it can sometimes be a very lazy organ. But Amanda was talking about, it goes back to the pattern that already knows, it falls back to where the company is. So we changed our chant to the ‘brain needs a challenge’. So I would even pick up on Amanda. We may not even necessarily be looking for a better day or even a better way, just a different. If we go out and seek and do something different, it might not initially be better with chances are, the first time we do it’s going to be worse. Are we gonna ride in it and we’ll go down and then we’ll travel up? But we do need to embrace these challenges. The challenges will find us even if we don’t, but it’s better if we skill ourself in bringing in some disruption, and new patterns, and shift and change because we may not love it initially, but the brain does need it. We need to challenge yourself and embrace a renewable.

Dr. Drew:  I can’t say that I do it for you. There are all sexes but particularly for people who sit around close to 60 marks about your age Bron, but 62 to 65, they constantly tell me, they’re over what they’ve done. They don’t want to learn anymore but they want another challenge, they want to do something different or new or they want to transition or restructure what it is they want to achieve. And I think I said it in a couple of sessions ago, I love going into Bunnings Warehouse because when I’m in there, although my hands are cuffed and I’m not allowed to spend, I get to meet and see a lot of the staff in there. And predominantly enough in the Bunnings Warehouse and those who are listening overseas, it’s like a big warehouse of hardware and things to man’s space, a lot of women go in there too. But the staff are middle-aged, experienced in a transition and have taken on a new job, a new life, a new challenge. But I’ve never met so many staff that are happy, that are smiling, that are educated, that teach you stuff you’d never knew about a screw, or a pin, or a seed or a fertilizer, they know where everything is and they’re just complacent and calm. And it really is nice in comparison when I go into a fast food chain or a Woolworth’s department store or Kohl’s. I’m greeted with a totally different cohort of people as staff.

Glenn:  If Bunnings zone a sponsor Drew, they should be?

Dr. Drew:  Well, they should be and it is a part of their mandate. They actually advertise that they chase these particular types of staff down because when I’m when a bloke or a woman, particularly a woman walks into Bunnings, she’s independent woman wants to do something around the house and potter and fix and make which a lot of women like to do, she wants information and she wants to be directly given that information. And in more cases and not you put my wife in front of a car guy, she will challenge everything he says.

Glenn:  I’m going to go into Bunnings and find that how the screw expert very, very soon to be very, very popular.

Dr. Drew:  But my point there particularly is the renewal for anyone who sits in the change or transition as a baby Boomer is focus on what makes you happy and what do you want to achieve, try it for me, try and find some of the elements of your past. As Amanda said that old, that renewal is changing or you know, what did you say Amanda? Redoing the past?

Amanda:  Yes, repeating the past.

Dr. Drew:  Repeating the past. Perhaps, it is a repeat of the past and perhaps, the repeat of the past is taking out those little bits of the past that I was really good at and never got the chance to show my passion in or have my love in because I was told, ‘No, I can’t. I was too busy raising kids. I didn’t have the time. And you know, my husband was an asshole, wouldn’t let me?’ So at the end of the day, ‘Now, I’m free and I’m single and I’m at it again’. I won’t actually go and step in that zone and try and make it go of it. For me, there’s your passion grab it, take that light and put it in your lamp and make that oil burn bright.

Glenn:  Conrad Ferdinand Meyer had never written a poem until he was 51 and he became the National Poet of Switzerland. Elizabeth Sjoli from Western Australia hadn’t published a novel and two issues in the 60s and went on to become the Great Novelist. So there’s some crayons inside of us Drew. I just really want to hear that we haven’t sharpened yet that they are there

in the renewal …

Dr. Drew:  It’s true Glenn. I’m meeting at the moment because I work a course with practical nurses, student nurses in care environments. I cannot tell you I’m staggered at the amount of I’d say 50 and 60 year old women particularly and some men, we need more men, I’d like to see more men who have ended their jobs gone back to TAFE or vocation. They have learned certificate 3, 4 diploma in community services, case management or aged care, disability care and they’ve found their passion to give back to their communities and they are thoroughly enjoying the work space and they really are a different group of people to work with even as student learners. They come with so much more time, consideration, empathy and the skills that perhaps in my opinion only, a lot of younger more modern people lack. They seem to be more balanced in giving time, understanding, stepping back, listening and developing to give compassion to the care space they’re working and I can only talk about this space because that’s where I work but it’s brilliant to see midlife people getting out of their full-time jobs and I’m meeting them, they were bank managers, big government, SO infinities and they’re now on 25 bucks an hour working as a care and I think fabulous. And they say to me, ‘I just love it. I just love it Drew. I feel accomplished at the end of the day’.

Glenn:  One of the great things I think we should all ask ourselves is when I was a kid, I used to find great fun doing and what is it that was you know, when I was a kid I used to love singing, when I was a kid I used to love to dance, when I was a kid I like use to love to paint or I used to love to go out and build a cubby. Whatever that thing was, if you haven’t done it for 40 years, refined it, renew it because sometimes it’s a passion which we just had knocked out of us because you can’t make a living doing that. But now, we might not need to be making a living, we just might need to be able to use those crowns for the fun of it.

Dr. Drew:  And funnily enough, I’m watching, I have a young son because we had children late but he’s now in mid high school. And they’ve just brought in now in Queensland, I’ve got rid of the OP of course fabulous, fantastic, check that stuff in the bin. And they’ve new too now the Queensland School Certificate, the high school certificate and majority of the component is the child having the option for school-based trainees apprenticeships to learn technical and trade skills rather than taking on this higher formal academic workload. And my boy is a practical boy and he’s going straight after it – English, Math, Science, that’ll do me and all the other subjects I want to do a school-based apprenticeship next year I said, ‘Make whatever makes you happy, that’s what you’re going to do’. And it’s funny because I do talk to Boomers and we have this discussion and clients and my family members and they laugh and they say to me, ‘Well when we were young, we were forced to get a trade’. There was no other alternative if you came from a lower socioeconomic background or you didn’t have the education or the money to get an education. Now, it’s come full swing again rotation to, we need to start giving our youth skills and trades. So I often owned up or fess up to some of the men I know who are tradies in their 50s and 60s who love their passion and trade, look for opportunities to give back to the youth because the community start to re-develop these skills again and we need to get the focus of leadership from the Boomers back to our youth.

Bron:  I think that as we were growing up, there were limp like the possibilities for employment were more limited and we were following the path of our parents who got into a job when they were in their late teens and they stayed in it until retirement. That was the norm, their path and there was this sort of expectation that we would do that and I’ve always seen the Boomers as a transition generation in themselves because we have transitioned the world in lots of different ways but particularly in terms of employment, out of or employment relationships actually lots of different ways, out of that more settled and stable expected path in life and we challenge that, we’ve said ‘No, we can do things differently’. But I think sometimes in the process, we have also as individuals missed our calling because I was the eldest in my family, I was fairly compliant, I certainly enjoyed my teaching, but I still followed the path of getting married, having children, doing part-time work rather than following a career in teaching which it may well is in a quite different for for women today. So I think what Glenn was saying about, find those crayons in the box of pencils that you really like to do,  find though it goes back to the things that you loved as a child, try to revisit them because they are there, they were always there but we didn’t often didn’t have a chance to use them. And I think the space has opened up whether it’s in the online world to be able to provide services and products that fit your capacities and other people are actually looking for them and are happy to pay you.

Dr. Drew:  Well Bron I can tell you with the statistics that I look at and some of things I do read, a lot of the publishers at the moment, mainstream press and a few other people they’re not particularly in the Boomer space, so I would recommend anybody starts at 60 is a good multimedia site if you’re in that space to go and become a member at Australian company. And others, you’ve read The Age, The Sydney Morning Herald, currently some of the media releases is about Boomers are in crisis, Boomers are at crucial point of breaking, they’re not going to cope in the future and I totally disagree with this shit, it’s just rubbish and it’s it’s ageist and it’s just deposits a whole lot of stress into a Boomer space that they don’t need. I’m dealing with a lot of 60 year old women in particularly at the moment who are facing and probably, I wouldn’t say like yourself Bron but if you change a new marriage, single, but are also concerned that their life has changed, that they’ve got accommodation housing issues, that they’ve got a few other things that they have to get some headspace around but they are starting to discover hot-desking, share rental desking. They’re discovering very quickly these new Millennial spaces, I don’t know if you’re aware of them factory setups with desks that you hire for the day, you do your own … and all the software and everything you need in the training. And these 60 year old women are jumping into these spaces very quickly and mastering themselves around, ‘I don’t need the resources. I can rent them’. I don’t have to have the stability of a man, or a husband, or a bank account, I can get into these spaces and manipulate and make them work for me just as good as these young smartypants Millennials. And working out very quickly the reason why they’re doing it is because they love to have walks on the beach and have their cafe lattes and their smashed over breakfasts. Well I’m afraid so to do the Boomers and the 60 year old women who are looking for a new change. And it’s really interesting to watch them in this space because the reason many of them are doing it is they’re facing the fact as Boomers is their renewal is, ‘I’m not going to be homeless in the next 10 years. I want to be settled in my own space with my own security’.

Bron:  I totally agree with you. And I find it really exciting, I can only say like in the last 12 months, the things I have learned in the internet space are huge. I can now do Facebook ads, I know how to add PHP on to my web page and didn’t even know, I know what a longtail keyword is, I know how to do SEO on my blogs. Things that I had no idea about and all that information is available. Guess what, in Facebook groups which you join for nothing and people offer their stuff. And the interesting thing is a lot of these groups are populated by stay-at-home mums and women in baby Boomer women. Stay-at-home mums are trying to provide that extra income while their children are little, baby Boomer women just exactly what she said, you know they’re going, ‘We find ourselves single. We could be potentially vulnerable in terms of housing and employment’.

Dr. Drew:  Higher on the vulnerability rate than anyone else.

Bron:  Yes, but we’re not gonna let that happen because hello, we’ve got this far, we’re just not going to give up now.

Glenn:  And as well as the online like that ‘Toss In’ and offline and that is if people don’t know at least in Australia at the University of the Third Age, wonderful groups in rural and city and they have national and state conferences and you can be in front of hundreds of people who are just looking to learn new stuff and the University of the Third Age just there and there’s such interesting, articulate, intelligent, humor groups to be able to address and speak to that anyone wanting to go along and find out about it, go along with their meetings and things. You’ve guaranteed to make new friends, a renewal for a new friendships, what a wonderful concept.

Dr. Drew:  I just met a group of them at Coffs Harbour recently Glenn and it’s a space I know you’re interested in but they’re busy training a heap of people in the center of New South Wales Coast in South Auslan sign language because they want more, I didn’t know this, there’s a more and more larger cohort of transparent deaf and mute and people with disability around deafness and speech and vocabulary. And it’s easier for them to communicate through sign, however they’re short of sign teachers, short of people with the space to learn and master sign and so they’re chasing more baby Boomers at the moment in the University of the Third Age to learn this communication strategy to start becoming associates in hospitals, in healthcare, in programming, in school. It did help to teach people sign.

Glenn:  And a couple of things that in there that Auslan has been my second or third language for quite some time, I’m not fluent either the deaf community will laugh at my signing and inadequacies with it. But Auslan or any form of signing, there’s a great physical learning language. It’s a beautiful and there’s a lot of humor and a lot of spur and you’ve got to bring your body and you’ve got to bring your emotion to the communication in signing. Interesting you mentioned Coffs Harbour because I think it was one of the heads of University of Third Age from Coffs Harbour that I met in South America over about two years ago and we were talking about and we shared some ideas about the beauty of signing as a language for even us hearing speaking people. So again, great group of people but if you haven’t got it, find your own University of the Third Age, find your own lot of people you want to share with, and chat with, and talk with, and they extend each other and and throw stuff into the brew that’s just a little bit different to see (crosstalk).

Dr. Drew:  So it’s all about creating a tribe I guess?

Glenn:  Yes, a community, beautiful. Some learning can be very private. I read a book privately, I can do my YouTube stuff alone but sometimes it’s just really good to get real voices, real people sitting in a circle, chucking in, ‘What do you do? What have you done? What have you learned?

Dr. Drew:  I like my local rugby club.

Glenn:  Go with the AFL. At least now, I want to throw in something very quickly. Some years ago, my mate Albert was going through a few troubles in life so I wrote him a little poem prayer and I realized that it wasn’t just writing it for Albert, I was writing it for me. And as we’ve been talking, maybe it’s a poem prayer of renewal for all of us. So some of the lines I’d like to give to people and I wrote down, but be adventurous, be romantic. Within the context of your values, take the risks. Within the context of your values, sometimes do the uncomfortable. Be alert to life, be sensuous in nature, be abundant in thought. Live, we are all fragile resilient things, for this in mind be. A chances for the taking the love is for the creating and each morning about waking, every evening about praying, every breath of our staying, we are the life, we are the making. Be bold yet be humble. Be grand yet be simple. Be deep yet still laugh. And at the end of the day, at the end of the autumn, at the end of the world life, well-lived, look back, smile wisely and widely. A little bit of cheekiness mixed with a whole lot of gratitude allow the tear in your eye to be soft and let it fall. Live, we’re all fragile resilient beings with this in mind be. Be grin and move on. Well learned, well lived, well done. I wrote that development in 2001. In three weeks time, I get to be best man at his first-ever wedding and his marrying at the age of 61 renewal. And so I’m not saying the calm actually cause that but it might be a reflection, we all need to be able to do it.

Bron:  Yes, gorgeous.

Wayne:  I think perhaps it might be a lovely note to finish on Glenn. It’s very thought creating. Let us see if we’ve got some wrap-up thoughts from everyone, Bron?

Bron:  I just think embrace whatever comes each day. Whether it’s a challenge or an opportunity, embrace it and see what where it takes you.

Wayne:  And Amanda?

Amanda:  I think the brain needs a challenge. I think just be aware of that. I love that Glenn said that and I think just understand that it’s not gonna happen overnight, you have to keep persisting with it and enjoy the persistence.

Wayne:  And Drew?

Dr. Drew:  Well, I’ll stick with the water theme that Glenn just put on the table and there’s a good quote from Elizabeth George who writes ‘The Scent of Water’, what is the scent of water? Renewal. It is the goodness of God coming down like dew and considering, we are over 93% made of water, I think renewal is a good thing for all the cells in our body.

Wayne:  And so dear listener, that brings us to conclusion of another episode of Booms Day Prepping podcast, our weekly chat. Thank you for being with us and whether you’re listening to us on YouTube, or on iTunes or on SoundCloud, can I ask you please to click the button at the end of the video and the end of the audio, whether it’s a share button, whether it’s a like button or whether it’s a subscribe button, we need to see that you love us. Let’s be honest, so that we can exploit your love and get our sponsors to pay us more money. But please, indicate that you’ve listened, click the subscribe button, click the like button and this will keep us coming to you free and at no charge week after week. Thank you for joining us. We do appreciate it. To our panelists, thank you for being with us and my co-host Drew Dwyer, thank you for your time. My name is Wayne Bucklar. You’re listening to Boom Day Prepping.

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